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Governor's Gambit - Star Wars SI into Imperial Governor
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abrandentport4
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To all of you who have been calling Vader's squadron Death's Head squadron, that is wrong; it is called Death Squadron
LordEdric
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Yup, as much as Vader says he killed Anakin, the SKywalker in him shows up from time to time. Honestly this reminds of that Lego Star Wars scene where Vader sees a Naboo fighter again
also, did anyone remember that Las has power armor that is pretty fast and agile, and that is without a ton of research since we last saw them. Imagine Vader gets those plans to make a faster more powerful suit for him to wear
Starseeker
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Vader is one of the guys in the setting who really doesn't need power armor. With the force he is as strong as he needs to be whenever he wants to. That he would need mechanical enhancement could easlily be considered insulting. To the point where he might take offence at the mere suggestion.
abrandentport4
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About the only reason Vader may use Las's power armour design is that it catches his interest, so he decides that he is the best test subject, which is both perfectly possible and actually pretty likely
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A lot of the troopers that were good enough to be transferred to under his command later on were ones he actually protected...same reason why the majority of his forces remained as Clones until they were having physical issues in Legends, and that a good portion of the 501st knew or at least heavily suspected who Vader was.
Hell, one of the planets in the Vjun system (the same system where Bast Castle was on the uninhabtable one) was habitable and one that was almost entirely populated by clones that Vader sent there if they were to injured or having aging issues along with several hand picked medics and similar to help them.
Legends Vader was exceedingly loyal to the competent men under him, and to the people he sponsored if they weren't intentionally a mess for him to clean up...such as him mentoring Kharys and a few others...and the lengths he went to in order to save Shira's life, though that ended up with Lumiya later on that Luke had to deal with.
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Could Vader even pilot the Tie Whirlwind? I meant, the thing does not have life support, and Vader may not be able to attach a pilot life support haness to his mask, unless he has some kind of custom helmet/Life support adaptor laying around just in case he wants to pilot a regular Tie starfighter??
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saylin021
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Vader one hundred percent knows just how annoyed Mola is lmao, he's getting his kicks in when he can. Gotta have fun somehow
How old are Luke and Leia atm? Rebellion/warlords era Leia and Las flirting with Vader looming in the background sounds hilarious
How old are Luke and Leia atm? Rebellion/warlords era Leia and Las flirting with Vader looming in the background sounds hilarious
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bloodyparty
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Flew at 191 percent?
bloodyparty
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That says anakin all over it.
Freefaller
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Nah ships in star wars have numbers maneuver ratings, the Whirlwinds theoretical max is 200, but most people can only manage around 150. Vader managed 191 as the highest anyones ever been able to use.
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To my knowledge, that is a load of bull shit @Freefaller.
Wratus
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Hmmmmm not really as those things comes up in the tabletops and then there is this
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/DPF
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Anakin is a wiz at ship design, he's going to send in so many improvement suggestions...
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@Wratus Except for the fact that DPF wouldn't be how it's described in universe
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It's also kind of how things worked in X-Wing and TIE Fighter games, you could dump full power into engines and your capability there skyrockets, but you're losing your guns and shields...as well as other systems in the process.
The old novels also have things where you could use overrides to include power from things like life support which became a thing in the first book of the Black Fleet Crisis with Tuke Tuketu putting everything into thrusters to manage interplanetary travel to warn another planet in system even if it almost killed him after the Yevethans raided his homeworld and even then his TIE Interceptor was nearly dead by the end of it because of it and he spent a weeks recovering from it before, temporarily, joining the New Republic fighter forces for most of the remainder of the conflict
Wonderbread16
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Is it possible for a index of all the new ships and vehicles in a separate thread mark with images please
mango363
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The Empire has fallen. Trillions must die.
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He absolutely had somebody give him the briefing on the Whirlwind before he flew it where they mentioned the theoretical maximum and that there's a standard test instruction not to push over 190 to preserve starframe lifespan.
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Random Theory-Crafting: Imperial Flavors Post-Unity
Intro
So I have been thinking about Imperial politics, specifically after Endor with the Emperor dying. It is probably going to be much more interesting since it appears we are heading towards an even more disunited galaxy and Empire in the Post-Unity era than in canon or legends. As galactic unity becomes a more distant possibility, all these squabbling Imperial breakaway states are going to start to find their own identity and define themselves.
Funnily enough I can see the previous Imperial departments and divisions mattering less as the Empire collapses further and further. It doesn't matter too much what department you were with to your fellow Imperials when that department collapsed along with the Empire. Especially with Palpatine no longer pushing those divisions and interdepartmental hatred. Of course Rebels and other Anti-Imperial forces probably care very much what you used to do for the Empire, but what proper Imperial considers what they think? This is going to leave room for new divisions to form, but I think these divisions are going to be a bit more coalesced and natural than the artificial ones imposed and encouraged by the Emperor.
I can see three main… let's call them Philosophies emerging in the Post-Unity era. I can't call them factions because they aren't that united, and I can't call them religions since it is doesn't really deal with the spiritual. Either way I can see the various Imperial states generally falling into one of three categories in their state and preferred flavor of governance. Emerging Post-Unity Imperial states may mix Philosophies a bit by necessity and circumstances, but I can see most individual Imperials subscribing to a primary Philosophy they agree the most with. These three general Philosophies of Imperial rule I see emerging are Camp, Court, and Civil.
Camp
Camp style Imperial states are fairly straightforward. They are your military turned warlord states. Those that see their territory as a place to occupy and extract resources to maintain and expand their military for future battles and conquest. Obviously the military and its leader hold primacy in the government with the civilian administration and politicians beholden to those who hold military power.
This Philosophy's primary supporters are going to be the Imperial military and its remnants with all the firepower and prestige that provides. The Traditionalists, the Patriots, and the Dead-Enders, all gathering to those who can assure them The Cause is not yet Lost. They are also the most likely to advocate for and conduct anti-Rebel/Republic operations Post-Unity, either conquest or more likely just punitive raids. Actual progress matters less than giving off the appearance that they are still fighting for The Cause and "proving" that The Cause is still worth fighting for. Jingoism and patriotic propaganda are the pillars of a Camp state's society more than any of the other Philosophies.
Some of you may have figured out something by now. The specifics of The Cause the Camp state is killing millions for whether it is to save the Empire, avenge the Empire, destroy the Rebels, install the Camp leader as a new Emperor, etc, doesn't really matter. If the Camp state can maintain its internal integrity and its leaders can retain their authority, then The Cause is serving its purpose.
Court
Court style states are bit more complicated. They are where the politicians and nobles rule. Those who held court or who gained influence by attending parties and schmoozing with high class people. Those that might yearn for the times when the Imperial Senate was still in "control" of things and they had the pick of the Galaxy's excesses brought to them on a silver platter. This also includes the followers of such people, whether as members of their entourage or supporters who attend the charismatic individual's rallies and cheer when they spout whatever ideology or issue they support or oppose this week. Cults of personality are going to be common in Court states. The territory they secure is to be exploited to maintain and enrich the lives and bank accounts of the upper classes. The people and the resources are there to maintain the splendor of the Court and enable the scheme of its Players. The military and civilian administration is expected to follow the whims of "their betters" as they are the most "in touch" with the nation's goals and desires.
Plenty of Moffs and Governors turned their administration into noble courts or never ending parties before Endor and Post-Unity they may try to keep doing the same. I can also see the Imperial politicians from the Core also attempting to set up a Court style government Post-Unity. The favored governance style is ones where politicians can flex their influence the most, the public facing structure of who is in charge matters little. So senates, political parties, committees, backroom deals over whisky and spice, Big Fancy Banquets with Decorative Dancers. The works.
This is the Philosophy that is probably going to attract the most support from megacorporations of the three. Those same systems of governance that let politicians spread their influence tend to let corporations lobby the easiest as well. Some of the Court states may be outright bankrolled by the corps so the corps can "hold" territory in an uncertain galaxy without making themselves a target. Come to think of it, Syndicates would probably also enjoy being "friends" with Court states in order to have a captured market to sell their vices and conduct their specific brand of morally dubious operations. Also Dark Siders. Palpatine's little Sithlets would thrive in the drama, intrigue, and building of personal power bases inherent in Court states.
Civil
Civil style states are those rare states where the civilian administration wins the initial struggle for internal supremacy. Those that believe the Imperial government and its administration worked just fine if the military jarheads and brainless politicians weren't mucking everything up all the time. Their territory is to be administrated as efficiently as possible and its people should be good little cogs for the bureaucracy so everything can run smoothly. Everything will go so much better if the politicians and the military just follow the Civil's well-researched 2 hour powerpoints and submit the right paperwork in triplicate on the relevant matter. Basically the equivalent of Imperial legalism.
Imperial bureaucrats are likely to be the biggest proponents of this Philosophy. Unfortunately efficient bureaucracy and keeping the ships running on time isn't as impressive and capable of garnering influence as military shows of force or politicians giving grand speeches. So I can see the Civil Philosophy being rarer among those in power and at the highest level of governments. Still, they are the most efficient and are likely able to budget and utilize what resources they do have better than the other two Philosophies.
These are the types most likely to build a System that outlasts the death of the builders. Where the other two Philosophies are going to aim for more immediate power for the leader or immediate riches for the upper classes, Civil states are more likely to aim for long term growth. Provided an Imperial rival who is more charismatic or has a bigger military doesn't come along and crush them while they are still in the initial set up stage given they are relatively more vulnerable than the other two Philosophies at that time. Which is likely to happen in most cases as an entrenched and successful Imperial Civil state is likely to be the biggest threat to other players in the region long term, Imperial or otherwise.
Conclusion
I feel like the roots of these three Philosophies have always been lurking on the background of Imperial society and government. One can see it in how the various Imperial leaders conduct themselves after being given relative autonomy and power over others. The coalescing of these Philosophies could never fully occur while the Emperor was alive. He would Force Choke these Philosophies like a baby in a cradle before they could become a potential threat to him and the tenets of his New Order. However with the Emperor gone and the shackles of conformity loosening, there is room for these ideologies to get time in the spotlight and coalesce into something more structured and prominent. Even if it will be more decentralized with the Empire breaking apart.
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This is just a little thing I whipped up. A pondering about the future in the GG timeline that may or may not be on the mark. Might do more if I feel like doing another thought exercise.
Crossposted on SB and SV
Intro
So I have been thinking about Imperial politics, specifically after Endor with the Emperor dying. It is probably going to be much more interesting since it appears we are heading towards an even more disunited galaxy and Empire in the Post-Unity era than in canon or legends. As galactic unity becomes a more distant possibility, all these squabbling Imperial breakaway states are going to start to find their own identity and define themselves.
Funnily enough I can see the previous Imperial departments and divisions mattering less as the Empire collapses further and further. It doesn't matter too much what department you were with to your fellow Imperials when that department collapsed along with the Empire. Especially with Palpatine no longer pushing those divisions and interdepartmental hatred. Of course Rebels and other Anti-Imperial forces probably care very much what you used to do for the Empire, but what proper Imperial considers what they think? This is going to leave room for new divisions to form, but I think these divisions are going to be a bit more coalesced and natural than the artificial ones imposed and encouraged by the Emperor.
I can see three main… let's call them Philosophies emerging in the Post-Unity era. I can't call them factions because they aren't that united, and I can't call them religions since it is doesn't really deal with the spiritual. Either way I can see the various Imperial states generally falling into one of three categories in their state and preferred flavor of governance. Emerging Post-Unity Imperial states may mix Philosophies a bit by necessity and circumstances, but I can see most individual Imperials subscribing to a primary Philosophy they agree the most with. These three general Philosophies of Imperial rule I see emerging are Camp, Court, and Civil.
Camp
Camp style Imperial states are fairly straightforward. They are your military turned warlord states. Those that see their territory as a place to occupy and extract resources to maintain and expand their military for future battles and conquest. Obviously the military and its leader hold primacy in the government with the civilian administration and politicians beholden to those who hold military power.
This Philosophy's primary supporters are going to be the Imperial military and its remnants with all the firepower and prestige that provides. The Traditionalists, the Patriots, and the Dead-Enders, all gathering to those who can assure them The Cause is not yet Lost. They are also the most likely to advocate for and conduct anti-Rebel/Republic operations Post-Unity, either conquest or more likely just punitive raids. Actual progress matters less than giving off the appearance that they are still fighting for The Cause and "proving" that The Cause is still worth fighting for. Jingoism and patriotic propaganda are the pillars of a Camp state's society more than any of the other Philosophies.
Some of you may have figured out something by now. The specifics of The Cause the Camp state is killing millions for whether it is to save the Empire, avenge the Empire, destroy the Rebels, install the Camp leader as a new Emperor, etc, doesn't really matter. If the Camp state can maintain its internal integrity and its leaders can retain their authority, then The Cause is serving its purpose.
Court
Court style states are bit more complicated. They are where the politicians and nobles rule. Those who held court or who gained influence by attending parties and schmoozing with high class people. Those that might yearn for the times when the Imperial Senate was still in "control" of things and they had the pick of the Galaxy's excesses brought to them on a silver platter. This also includes the followers of such people, whether as members of their entourage or supporters who attend the charismatic individual's rallies and cheer when they spout whatever ideology or issue they support or oppose this week. Cults of personality are going to be common in Court states. The territory they secure is to be exploited to maintain and enrich the lives and bank accounts of the upper classes. The people and the resources are there to maintain the splendor of the Court and enable the scheme of its Players. The military and civilian administration is expected to follow the whims of "their betters" as they are the most "in touch" with the nation's goals and desires.
Plenty of Moffs and Governors turned their administration into noble courts or never ending parties before Endor and Post-Unity they may try to keep doing the same. I can also see the Imperial politicians from the Core also attempting to set up a Court style government Post-Unity. The favored governance style is ones where politicians can flex their influence the most, the public facing structure of who is in charge matters little. So senates, political parties, committees, backroom deals over whisky and spice, Big Fancy Banquets with Decorative Dancers. The works.
This is the Philosophy that is probably going to attract the most support from megacorporations of the three. Those same systems of governance that let politicians spread their influence tend to let corporations lobby the easiest as well. Some of the Court states may be outright bankrolled by the corps so the corps can "hold" territory in an uncertain galaxy without making themselves a target. Come to think of it, Syndicates would probably also enjoy being "friends" with Court states in order to have a captured market to sell their vices and conduct their specific brand of morally dubious operations. Also Dark Siders. Palpatine's little Sithlets would thrive in the drama, intrigue, and building of personal power bases inherent in Court states.
Civil
Civil style states are those rare states where the civilian administration wins the initial struggle for internal supremacy. Those that believe the Imperial government and its administration worked just fine if the military jarheads and brainless politicians weren't mucking everything up all the time. Their territory is to be administrated as efficiently as possible and its people should be good little cogs for the bureaucracy so everything can run smoothly. Everything will go so much better if the politicians and the military just follow the Civil's well-researched 2 hour powerpoints and submit the right paperwork in triplicate on the relevant matter. Basically the equivalent of Imperial legalism.
Imperial bureaucrats are likely to be the biggest proponents of this Philosophy. Unfortunately efficient bureaucracy and keeping the ships running on time isn't as impressive and capable of garnering influence as military shows of force or politicians giving grand speeches. So I can see the Civil Philosophy being rarer among those in power and at the highest level of governments. Still, they are the most efficient and are likely able to budget and utilize what resources they do have better than the other two Philosophies.
These are the types most likely to build a System that outlasts the death of the builders. Where the other two Philosophies are going to aim for more immediate power for the leader or immediate riches for the upper classes, Civil states are more likely to aim for long term growth. Provided an Imperial rival who is more charismatic or has a bigger military doesn't come along and crush them while they are still in the initial set up stage given they are relatively more vulnerable than the other two Philosophies at that time. Which is likely to happen in most cases as an entrenched and successful Imperial Civil state is likely to be the biggest threat to other players in the region long term, Imperial or otherwise.
Conclusion
I feel like the roots of these three Philosophies have always been lurking on the background of Imperial society and government. One can see it in how the various Imperial leaders conduct themselves after being given relative autonomy and power over others. The coalescing of these Philosophies could never fully occur while the Emperor was alive. He would Force Choke these Philosophies like a baby in a cradle before they could become a potential threat to him and the tenets of his New Order. However with the Emperor gone and the shackles of conformity loosening, there is room for these ideologies to get time in the spotlight and coalesce into something more structured and prominent. Even if it will be more decentralized with the Empire breaking apart.
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This is just a little thing I whipped up. A pondering about the future in the GG timeline that may or may not be on the mark. Might do more if I feel like doing another thought exercise.
Crossposted on SB and SV
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