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(Partially) fixing the tag system

I mark my threads complete on completion, but you're not allowed to comment on old threads without necroing so there's no real reason for me to maintain them. Once they're older than two-weeks I won't receive feedback.
 
no idea if it has been mentioned yet, and i may be wrong just from taking a quick glance, but "reverse moral sexuality" , "reverse sexual morality", "reversed sexual morality" , "rsm" all seem to have largely the same fics (granted, with a few standouts for each) is there any way to combine them?
 
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Regarding the suggested tags thread / longer tags list threadmark:
Open to feedback with regard to how I formatted those threads.
Ideally there should be linkbacks to the full synonym list. Mostly to make it easier for people expecting something to be tagged a certain way who aren't familiar with what the suggested tag means to realize that it's the same thing. Particularly once the list gets longer, it'd be helpful to have a single page for the synonyms somewhere which you can just ctrl+F the tag you were going to use to find the canonical version.
 
Ideally there should be linkbacks to the full synonym list. Mostly to make it easier for people expecting something to be tagged a certain way who aren't familiar with what the suggested tag means to realize that it's the same thing. Particularly once the list gets longer, it'd be helpful to have a single page for the synonyms somewhere which you can just ctrl+F the tag you were going to use to find the canonical version.
I can absolutely keep a list of all the Synonym groups updated, but I'm not entirely sure I understand the utility you're pointing at. In regard to search, it doesn't matter whether they use the Canonised suggested tag or a Synonym for their thread. Could you explain more?
 
Basically, it's hard to know what those synonyms are unless you have the list. Anyone who writes the tag in a way which would require a new synonym is going to create a unique tag that's outside of the list, but XF2's tag auto-completion interface is pretty limited and often won't help avoid that. If there was a searchable list, it'd be much easier.

Some examples:
>If you write "tiny harem" {small harem}, none of the existing synonyms will come up. This example isn't so bad because you can search the expanded tag list for "harem" and find it. But if the tag doesn't have a convenient element in common it becomes much harder:
>If you write "ambiguous consent" {dub-con}, you won't be pointed to dub-con. But here searching is much harder: "consent" doesn't exist in the list (but does in the synonyms list), "dubious" doesn't exist in the tag list (ditto), if you search just "consen" you'll get 'consensual non-con' and 'consensual sex', and "con" while the best option to search for it is a common three character combination and won't scale well.

This is a pretty trivial concern at present since synonyms are only spread over two posts and you can currently read the entire list of suggested tags in a couple seconds, but still.



Regarding the "consensual non-con" tag: there are twice as many threads tagged "cnc" as using the canonical tag and all 8 "cnc" threads are consensual non-con. These can probably be unified.
 
Update:

Aleth has a testbed spun up for this add-on, and I'm doing a bunch of experiments on it so they can fix any bugs before putting it on the main forum.
Update:

Many bugs I found in the testbed regarding Synonyms and merges replicate in the main forum, and some break tags. I initially had the attitude of 'it'd be nice, and a massive timesaver, if we had a hard-merge option, but if it looks like it's going nowhere I'll just go back to doing what I can with the tools I have'. But now I'm wary of even touching those tools on the main forum until I've verified it won't break the involved tags, so I no longer have the option of making myself the only bottleneck to progress.

I'll let the thread know once I have assurance, but I have no ETA.
 
Sorry if this has already been noted, but I thought I should mention the various "English is not the author's first language" tags. I suspect those will be among the tags most prone to misspellings and grammatical errors for obvious reasons, in addition to the concept being complex enough that there isn't a good one-or-two word phrase for it, while being both common enough and important enough that it generally warrants getting a tag.

Ones I've seen that (I think) I remember off the top of my head:
English is not my mother language
English is not the author's first language
English is not my mother
English is a second language.
 
Also, as a hardcore acronym hater (not really, I just don't like them because they are effectively meaningless without context. I spent over a year not knowing what the fuck asoiaf was while having heard of A Song of Ice and Fire), I would like to request that no tags that get merged into one are acronyms. People new to a fandom, or to fanfiction in general, will not understand any given acronym.

Same with shortening things like Tensura from Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken. Whether the tag for that should be the full japanese name or the english name of That Time I Got Reincarnated As A Slime is something I will leave for others to decide (I think english makes more sense for an english site, I figure more people are likely to not understand what it is referring to if it is in japanese, even if some people are more used to seeing it that way).

In other words, please don't shorten things for merged tags. It will scare way prospective newcomers and confuse actual newcomers and old-timers will understand it either way.

Edit: I thought of an exception. CYOA and Choose Your Own Adventure have come to mean completely different things, with CYOA meaning a CYOA was used as a writing aid and Choose Your Own Adventure meaning that the story is made so that the reader can choose their own adventure. Of course, various tags within those groups should still be merged (such as the various Essence CYOA tags), but CYOA and Choose Your Own Adventure should stay separate.
 
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Well, unless there's a distinct reason to keep them, it seems wise to merge anything about "femboy" or "trap" (both slurs in this day and age) into transfem protagonist.
Probably for the best to keep futa seperate, a lot of people like to write about that as a distinct thing, even with the obvious origins.
Genderbending protagonist may as well be merged into trans protagonist. No point splitting hairs, there.
Unless the main character is actively swapping back and forth between multiple bodies, ranma 1/2 style.

Edit: my cunning plan of getting vocal transphobes to spew dogwhistles at me so I can block them worked! Yippie!

And now for actual content- anything to do with alternate universe, IE AU, Alternate universe, divergent timeline, etc
Those tags should get merged.
Some specific aus should probably remain as their own tags, but mostly they can get squished together.
Under this logic, we should make futaprotag and maleprotagonist synonyms. Femaleprotag automatically brings up yuri quests, and any gay tag should just give you Worm fics

Also misspellings should be grouped together, as an actual suggestion to the thread. As an example, and to make good on my moniker for once: Beastality, beastiality, bestiality, etc. Beast, zoophilia, feral, could be grouped in there too
The anti-ntr tags. There's like ntr is trash, ntr is shit, ntr is a trash fetish, ntr begone, ntr is beaten violently.

I think blanketing them all under Anti-NTR would help, as there isn't really a need to have five tags all for the same thing.
Knowing how those threads are, they'd probably keep coming up with more anti-ntr tags to feel special
Femboy & Trap ≠ Transfemale character. Femboys are (essentially) the inverse of tomboys, and traps are male characters who both enjoy crossdressing and look like females. Which is definitely not the same as a trans female character, for obvious reasons.
and for people that want to group trans and futa together in a tag (looking at you, f95zone) I'll just say that if you absolutely insist on drawing a real world parallel, then the closest equivalent would be an idealization of intersex people. Not trans.
Sorry if this has already been noted, but I thought I should mention the various "English is not the author's first language" tags. I suspect those will be among the tags most prone to misspellings and grammatical errors for obvious reasons, in addition to the concept being complex enough that there isn't a good one-or-two word phrase for it, while being both common enough and important enough that it generally warrants getting a tag.

Ones I've seen that (I think) I remember off the top of my head:
English is not my mother language
English is not the author's first language
English is not my mother
English is a second language.
Group them all into an "ESL" tag, imo
 
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Pretty sure this would be a terrible experience to implement, but what about splitting some tags first, so that they can be properly merged?

Stuff like "worm au" where it could then be merged into both 'worm' and 'au' rather than it being an exception that doesn't quite fit in either one for the purposes of combining.
 
I don't get why bisexual male/female mc is being merged into bisexual protag. Sometimes you just want to read about guys fucking guys only for most of the stories when searching that tag to be about lesbian sex. And then you can't even exclude the mc's gender because it isn't tagged.
 
My contribution, and I'm pretty sure that there are even more useless tags:

futa

futa amazon

futa amazon later

futa character

futa characters

futa chromosomes

futa content

futa elements

futa eventually

futa everywhere

futanari (technically)

futanari and female only

futanari for days

futanari foxian beauty

futanari funtimes

futanari is also yuri

futanari is only gender

futanari occasionally

futanari possible

futa on female

futa on male

futa on shota

futa only even

eventual futa on male

maybe futa on male

no futa on male

futa milking

futa monstergirls

eventual futa mc

female/futa mc

occasional futa mc

pseudo-futa mc

futadom

futas

futas are around

futas exist

futasub

eventual futas

it gon' have futas!

submissive futas

temporary futas

hermaphrodite/futanari mc
 
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Source
Update:

Many bugs I found in the testbed regarding Synonyms and merges replicate in the main forum, and some break tags.



I'll let the thread know once I have assurance, but I have no ETA.
Code has been updated on the main forum. Praise and worship should be directed to @alethiophile, who once left the frozen wastes for the electric coast, and now swims in the ocean of bits.

I've done 91 tests with different tag states and operations, and 14 more general functionality experiments, so it's safe to say I'm assured I'm not going to break anything now.

I plan to write up a 'how-to' guide for how to use the tag system, both from an OP's perspective and a reader's, threadmark that here, and maybe in the 'Suggested Tags' thread too. There's quite a few useful quirks to it that you could easily miss or be confused by.

Relatedly, I'm also going to compile a list of the synonym groups with their respective canonical tags, as @doll suggested, and then threadmark that. This is actually relevant to search, which I'll explain in the 'how-to'.

Once I've done both of those, I'll finally do the second batch of mergers/synonyms. The head penguin wrote up a handy UI that lets me do them en masse, so I should be able to do all of it relatively quickly.
 
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I'll start with how search works, and then give OP specific details after.

Suggested Canonical tags here (1, 2), and a longer list of tags here. A full list of all Synonym groups with their Canonical tag detailed here.



There are a lot of different areas where you can filter, but I can divide them into three groups relating to how they interact with the tag system.

In 'Advanced Search', found at the top right of any page-
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-there are four options for non-staff: 'search everything', 'search threads', 'search profile posts', 'search tags'. Profile posts are irrelevant to tags, so ignoring that.

'Search tags'
You can only search for tags here, not exclude. Searching any tag in a Synonym group returns results for all tags in the Synonym group. This only displays up to 40 pages (800 results), and you cannot go past that; for context, 'self-insert' (with linked Synonyms) has '3,783' results. When tags have more than one page of results, threads with that tag added take an hour to be added to this search.

'Search everything' and 'Search threads'
You can search for and exclude tags simultaneously. Entering the Canonical tag of a Synonym group returns (or excludes) results for all tags in the Synonym group. Entering a Synonym returns (or excludes) results only for that specific Synonym. All results are displayed, and additions are updated instantly.

'Filters'

Can be found at the top right of any subforum, or the top right of 'Watched threads'-
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You can search for and exclude tags simultaneously. With 'Without synonyms' unchecked, entering any tag in a Synonym group searches for (or excludes) all tags in that Synonym group. With 'Without synonyms' checked, entering any tag searches for (or excludes) that specific tag, disregarding Synonym groups. All results are displayed.


OPs
To add tags to a thread you've created, you click on the 'Thread Tools' option in the top right-
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-then 'edit thread', where a box to add tags will be displayed. The maximum amount of tags you can have is 30.

Some tags will be 'hard-synonyms' of other tags, and attempting to add them to a thread will automatically convert them to the designated tag. This is so I don't have to play wack-a-mole with people recreating merged tags, and intended to be used only for semantically identical cases. If this happens, and you want to keep the tag you originally added, you can post about it in this thread and I can revoke the hard-synonym status (and possibly make it a normal synonym).

If you create a new tag, and want it linked to another Canonical tag, make the request here too.



(Think that's everything?)
 
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My contribution, and I'm pretty sure that there are even more useless tags:
Many of those are actually different tags that should not be grouped together. for example
futa on female

futa on male

futa on shota
are each different things someone might search for.

You do have a bunch that should be merged, but also many that should not.
 
I would suggest using a web of implications rather than a full on merge. House of Dragons implies Game of Thrones but not the reverse. Futanari and shemale both imply dickgirl. Futasub implies futanari and submissive. This gives you more searching power with less ambiguity, and the only time you should merge is mutual implications, such as different ways of spelling or phrasing the same thing.
 
I would suggest using a web of implications rather than a full on merge. House of Dragons implies Game of Thrones but not the reverse. Futanari and shemale both imply dickgirl. Futasub implies futanari and submissive. This gives you more searching power with less ambiguity, and the only time you should merge is mutual implications, such as different ways of spelling or phrasing the same thing.
They don't actually have the coding for implied tags, unfortunately. But yes.
 
Oops. Accidentally used the threadmark I had prepared for a normal reply.
I would suggest using a web of implications rather than a full on merge.
They don't actually have the coding for implied tags, unfortunately. But yes.
Dang. I was hoping we could go all booru on the tag system with wikis explaining them and everything.
No ETA, but that is likely to be the next feature developed.
 
Synonym Groups New
I imagine this will get quite long. Not sure whether to do it one Spoiler per group, or one Spoiler for the lot… I suppose I can do both.

Canonical tags are the Spoiler titles, Synonyms are inside.
porn
explicit content
r-18
lewds
nsfw
lemons
erotica
bed-shattering smut
bitter smut
first time smut writer!
he's a bard. of course smut.
i just wanted to write wow smut okay?
only the finely picked smut from my own brain
over the top smut
shameless smut with some plot
smut ahead try finger but hole
smut for the smut throne
smut heavy before plot hits like a wrecking ball
tasteful smut
terrible smut
way more smut than initially intended
wide range of smuttiness
amature parody porn
artisanal hand-crafted pornography
bad porn
porn for the porn god
realistic porn
that means porn with feeling
behold my field of lewds
dumping excess lewdness onto the internet
ecchi and lewds
fic will have lewds -- this isn't crossposted sb slop
you're a lewd one
first lewds by yours truly
first time lewds
gooey lewds
hark for the lewds have arrived
hotter stickier and lewder
I lied lewds all around
kinks and lewds galore
lewd and crude
lewd and fun
lewd and proud
lewd as fuck
lewd fantasy
lewd hell
lewd shenanigans
lewd yet wholesome
lewdness in abundance
lewds accidental and intentional
lewds ahoy!
lewds for the lewd god
lewds inclewded
lewds of questionable quality
lovey dovey lewds
mix of lewd and wholesome
o lord give lewds
oh my how lewd
possibly bad lewds
probably high-lewd later on
proliferating lewds
silly lewds
so fucking lewd
some weird lewds
the dice gods are lewd
the dice got its lewds
the dice wants more lewds
the lewd spreads
weird lewds
writing exercises in lewds
all the fucking fetishes
fuckfest
lewd tags in chapter
lewd all the things
adult themes
dark erotica
erotic fanfic
rational erotica
it's just smut
really it's just smut
borderline porn without plot
but porn's the focus
mainly porn
more porn than plot
mostly porn
mostly porn without plot
porn as plot
porn before plot
porn is the plot
porn with a little bit of plot
porn with the pretense of plot
porn without plot
just sex
sex scenes only
mostly lewds
mostly lemons
it was designed to be pure smut
lewds every chapter
"plot" before plot
pwp
smut-heavy with pics
the porn has the plot in a mating press
gore and porn
sex and death
killing games... but lewd
a lot of sex and violence honestly
smut is not the only mature thing you'll find here
1 plot with porn
smut with plot but characters keep pushing plot
the smut bleeds in
plot and porn will weld together for the story
plot sociology and porn
plot with porn(sorry qq)
porn is part of plot
porn with feelings
lewdness of varying degrees
medium lewd
medium-lewd
varying levels of lewd
plot and 'plot' are like yin and yang
plot and plap
there's plot and there's "plot"
40% smut
porn with excessive amounts of plot
action and smut
comedy before smut
plot until smut
romance and smut later
smut is relatively tame and few
most lewdness implied/offscreen
honestly... closer to lewd romance than 'plot'
smutty omakes sometimes
smut in side-stories only
sex scenes by omake
lewd in omakes only
lewd omakes only
lewds by omake
lewds in the extras
no lewd in main story
"plot" will be in index
nsfw in side content
nsfw omakes are encouraged
op wants lewds
vaguely lewd
fail your way into smut
qm cannot smut
trying (and failing) to write smut
warning: no good smut scenes
author has not written lewds before
author is bad at lewds
excuse_my_poor_lewdity
gm has never written a lewd before
I can't write lewd
lewds are hard to write
more plot because author is bad at lewds
op is bad at lewds
no smut til third year
smut after i learn how to write it
smut and romance is coming
but will be a long time before any lewd
it's a baratheon so yes lewds but later.
lewds don't happen until around canon time
no lewds until ~16
nsfw in side content eventually
as lewd as you want it
lewds allowed
lewds as soon as you go for them
lewds available
lewds can happen
lewds may or may not happens depending on choices
lewds not the intended goal
some options more lewd than others
the dice decides your lewds
most SFW
mostly SFW
probably no smut
probablynoporn
there probably won't be much porn lol
author won't be writing sex scenes
may not have sex stuff
offscreen lewds
no sex probably
not truly nsfw
first SFW story
mostly safeish to work
sex might not appear at all
no lewd just swearing
no lewds is new for me too
no sex yet
currently not nsfw
SFW for now
boku no hero academia
honkai impact
honkai impact 3
hi3
semi-original work
'original' setting
original (main) setting
original setting
original settings
original world
original universe
original verse
mostly original works
oc donut steel
original character do not steal
oc dont steal
abundant ocs
in fact it's all ocs
mostly oc-centric
original characters but also canon characters
mc is a native yj oc
oc protagonists
0. si-oc
si-oc prodigy
handsome male lead
male human protagonist
beautiful female lead
currently female protagonist
female? protagonist
female protagonist?
gender bender/trans mc
trans girl mc (but very egg)
eventual futa mc
occasional futa mc
pseudo-futa mc
genderbent mcs
occasional mc genderbend
non-binary protagonist
straight mc in a very bi world
bi-curious protag
bisexual mc (literally)
bisexual mc (but honestly it's magical girls)
bi disaster protagonist
oc has like no sex drive
very competent asexuals
one-person lgbtq+ spectrum protag
omnisexual protag
sexuality: yes
sexuality crisis
dominant protagonist but not afraid to switch
sub to dom
dom to sub
femdom and then maledom
male-sub to male-dom
sadomasochism
harem protagonists
harem-seeking protagonist
i then became a harem protagonist
mc wants a harem
you are a harem hero
two mc
two protagonists
three female protagonists
male and female protagonists
partial-self insert
two person si
double si
eventual harem
harem mode activate!
harem galore
harem get!
harem (obviously for anyone who knows my works)
likely harem
harem (obviously its danmachi)
accidental harem
canon-typical harem building
established harem
fucked-up harem
happy harem
girl failure harem
harem building
harem building but not like that
harem shenanigans
harems obviously
haremshit
max 6 harem
one big happy harem?
organically balanced harem
serious harems
slow burn harem
true harem is a found family you can fuck
unwanted harem shenanigans
who am i kidding it's definitely a fucking harem
yuri harem
male harem
harem but the girls fight
harems are not a good thing in this setting
not the typical harem story
bigger harem than I originally planned
harem-ish
harem? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
how do I harem?
if harem then small
maybe slight harem
minor harem? maybe?
harem possible if you work for it
eventual crossover
crossover setting
crossover and au
also a crossover lmao
slowly growing crossover
crossover massively au
crossover but not obvious
more crossover to follow
eventual multicross
stealth multicross
technically a multicross
unexpected crossovers
more crossovers possible
growing multicross
limited multicross
multiverse
multicross elements
crossover characters
silly crossover elements
lots of minor crossovers
crossover waifus
multicross elements but no world hopping
crossover elements (maybe)
multicross elements but no world hopping.
multicross-elements
multiverse characters
au as fuck
gender dysphoria
it's a trap!
trap shenanigans… maybe
trap(?){just one}
traps
traps are cute
traps are justice
traps everywhere
traps of both kinds
possible trap?
eventual femboy content
femboy lover
femboys
tomgirl
though the dads do become femboys and get fucked
hermaphrodite (later on)
intersex
serious take on hermaphroties/futanari
eventual futa
occasionally futa
futa characters
all the futa cocks
futa everywhere
futa only even
futadom
futanari and female only
futanari is also yuri
futaverse
it gon' have futas!
likely to have futa and genderbending
lots of futanari
minor futa
mostly futa
futanari for days
futanari funtimes
primarily sapphic/futa focus
probably a lot of futa
yeah we got futa what about it?
futa technically
futanari (technically)
pseudo-futa
eventual dickgirl
occasional dickgirl
magical dickgirl
seriously dickgirl is gonna happen
technically gender fluid but is a guy
technically genderfluid if you kind of look at it
and a nonbinary
male to female genderbend
minor gender bender
gender bender (later on)
gender bender (temporary)
gender bender maybe
gender bending randomly
mostly het
het?
possible het
casual bisexuality
eventual bisexual
bisexual options
just remember that there's gay shit
yaoi/yuri content for sure
boys should date boys
girls should date girls
be crimes and do gay
be gay and do crime
gay as the day is long
gay the nazi away
it's not gay if he's voiced by a girl
no homo but homo
may contain slash
some slash
yaoi/gay
yaoi
at least one instance of yaoi
bitching about the yaoi annoys the writer.
femslash
eventual romance (f/f)
slow burn romance (f/f)
multiple ff girls
lesbian ahoy!
bloody lesbians are at it again
lesbians everywhere
superior lesbian-type organism
eventual yuri
yuri but not yuri genre
yuri for the yuri throne
yuri is good culture
yuri only
yuri will conquer the world
yuri will continue until morale improves
yuri with a blast radius
1 toxic yuri
toxic yuri vampires
technically yuri
most likely yuri
planned yuri
probably yuri
queer as fuck
no harem only waifu
monogamy for the win
monogamy somehow
eventual polygamy
responsible polygamy
polygamy?
poly
polycule
eventual polyamory
glorious polyamorous propaganda
I like poly relationships
polycule? maybe
lesbian_take_cock - lesbian to bi
suddenly gay?
zap apples make you gay
consent is key
enthusiastic consent
happy and consensual make me horny
consent is king
consent is the sexiest fetish
wholesome sex
happy sex
rape play
extremely dubious consent
noncon dubcon and just con
mild dubcon
occasional dub-con
sorta rapey
of varying levels of consent
consent is not always given
consent issues
non/dub con
what is consent?
non_consensual_touching
noncon (?)
slight non-con
lots of rape
rape is probably unavoidable
zounds! that's a lot of rape
zounds that alotta rape
so much rape
sexual assault
a whole lotta rape
dear god so much rape
rape and worse
eventual consent?
starts out noncon
dubious consent to cock drunk
non-con to con
it's not rape if she likes it
it ain't rape if they have heart eyes
it's not rape if her eyes turn into hearts
masosub
call for the masochists
super maso predestined waifu
the most ridiculous masochist in japan
heavily masochistic deuteragonist
heavily masochistic protagonist
potentially masochistic protagonist
eventual male dom
femsubs
mc only tops
probably femdom lmao
female sexual aggression
light femdom
moderate femdom no masochism or humilation
soft femdom
bisexual malesub protagonist
male doming futa
eventual futa on male
possible futa/femboy action
probably futa based lewds if they ever happen
probably futa on futa
straight trap
not enough straight traps here
male on femboy/twink (most possibly)
only bi if you count femboys as gay
some male on femboi
male on trap
bi mc is possible as long as its a trap
traps are not gay
traps aren't gay
trapxmale
mc fuck trap
traps will eventually be plapped
possible femboy/futa action
femboys and futas
butt stuff
anal creampie
anal destruction
lots of anal
hardcore anal
rough oral sex
blowjobs
first time blow job
lots of blowjobs
paizuri
extreme hentai
inspired by worm cyoa
superhero
not really a harem
monogamy(mostly)
monogamy?
this is a no harem zone
no futa on male
not futa protagonist
no futa yet
no yaoi
not actually yuri or futa or yaoi or lesbian
no yaoi do to the author having dick based tramua
there's no yaoi just misunderstandings
not a yuri quest
This is fairly tedious.
 
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