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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Discussion in 'Creative Writing' started by Mr Zoat, Jan 27, 2019.

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  1. Darko

    Darko Well worn.

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    Technically he's the New God of Glorious War.

    He just hates Apokalips.
     
  2. WereDragon

    WereDragon Bookwyrm

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    The non-gods of New Genesis might not be living particularly productive or ‘good’ lives… but they are generally happy, or at least contented. Comparing NG to the suffering generator that is Apokolips is like comparing having old bargain-basement furniture to being stabbed on a daily basis.
     
  3. Hell's Razer

    Hell's Razer Passive Member

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    I think it was less mine-laying and more
    this.
     
  4. DrThoth

    DrThoth Not too sore, are you?

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    Mr Zoat, is there any chance that Orion actually considered Renegade's words (kind of valid, even if they were designed to bait him), or just dismissed them because of their speaker's identity?

    Or should I assume the answer 'The Renegade doesn't know'?
     
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  5. Darko

    Darko Well worn.

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    I'm leaning more towards the second one.

    Though Zoat would give the 'doesn't know' answer.
     
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  6. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    The Renegade would think it extremely unlikey. At most, he might expect him to relay them accurately to Highfather.
     
  7. WaleXdraK

    WaleXdraK Getting sticky.

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    Did Renegade purposely pissed off Orion and then opened a Boom tube on the path Grayven will take to attack the Vegas System so Him and Orion will meet and fight each others?
     
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  8. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    No, but Orion being enraged was a predictable outcome so he had a plan for how to deal with it.
     
  9. lars

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    which episode did have earth 50 Scott and Barda attacking Grayven?
     
  10. Darko

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    Episode 41. Date Night.

    The last two renegade chapters.
     
  11. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    I don't know what the original was, but I've put in a picture of the League of Ancients.
     
  12. Michael Vonica

    Michael Vonica Making the rounds.

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    I might just not be looking hard enough, but is there any general place for recommendations on stories I could go to after catching up on With This Ring? I don't really care about whether it's a fanfic or not, or even the setting, just that it has a similar character and tone. The general idea of the main character recognizing problems in the world and trying to solve or prevent them in a rational way.
     
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  13. Someguy Somewhere

    Someguy Somewhere The Critical Fumbler

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    Well, Discworld gets a few mentions as being some of Zoat's preferred reading material. It's got a ...passing...familiarity with rationality. In that anyone with even the slimiest shred of common sense is horrified of the 'we are flying through space on the the back of 4 elephants atop a turtle' levels of insanity of the place. And each goes about dealing with it in their own ways. These ways may be Running away from terrifying things, getting drunk and arresting things, applying psychological pressures to things so they go away....or being DEATH and just shrugging his shoulder bones at it all as he goes about his job.
     
  14. Threadmarks: Onslaught (part 12)
    Mr Zoat

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    25th August 2012
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    The juluuni are an omnivorous species who look a little like oversized pangolins. Their distant forebears were burrowers, but they didn't burrow deeply. According to archival data from before the Reach conquered them they tended to live in shallow subterranean homes and be completely ruthless about adapting their environment to suit them. Even after they developed the technology to detect mineral deposits underground with reasonable precision, they actually preferred to strip mine. By the time they developed faster than light travel their homeworld had no more mountains, a fact which can't be explained by efficiency.

    And no one has seen one for about four hundred years, when the last surviving settlement they had away from their homeworld was absorbed by the Reach. Their actual homeworld was absorbed nearly two thousand years ago.

    The ships I'm looking at match the general outline of the files we have for their ships. The larger ships are essentially cones, the pointy part covered with guns. Their FTL drives are supposed to be pretty good -precise, if not all that fast- and their sublight manoeuvrability is relatively poor. They never really had anything to do with the Controllers and none of them have ever served in the Darkstars.

    I take a look around. Eight battleships, none of which are on record as having existed while they were still autonomous. Twenty cruisers, and about five hundred automated gunships. They use those instead of more conventional fighters, and according to my records are quite happy to just dump them and move the larger ships off without them. They act more like mobile flack than conventional fighters and exhibit only fairly simple behaviour. It's a decent sized force. Unless they've brought Scarab Warriors along then Orange Lanterns could handle it, but a L.E.G.I.O.N. fleet would take casualties. Assuming that they could get into position fast enough. I'm not.. seeing any Reach naval vessels, so I'm not clear where their fleet would be retreating to when we started going after it…

    I don't think I can learn any more with passive scans. Originally, none of these ships had anything that could interfere significantly with the effects of a power ring, so let's have a go.

    Scans show… Shields, weapons and power all slightly improved. FTL… Altered but not strictly improved. It will allow them to make short FTL journeys more quickly but will fall off in performance if they try to travel longer distances. Which.. means… Aggressive deployment. Not hitting and running. Jump into the area, jump into contact, jump into bombardment position before reinforcements arrive… But if they get caught, they're done. The Reach don't design their own ships to work like that. Their people aren't disposable. Their commanders want the option to pull out and try again another day. These ships don't really have that.

    Perhaps more importantly, I have enough information to know that I can destroy this fleet without much difficulty. There's no obvious reason to preserve any of the crew, but genetic samples will allow their species to be resurrected later if we decide to take that route. Grab a few samples for the-

    Drives flare and the fleet vanishes.

    -l.. ab..?

    Where are-? There they are, not too far away. Not sure why they carried out a short jump. Practice? Security? They've left their gunships behind and they're… Patrolling?

    They're irrelevant. With stealth less of an imperative now that I'm not leaving a trail back towards my base ship I don't have to move quite so slowly. I mimic the effects of their FTL drives and go after them, appearing within a few metres of the hull of one of the battleships. Their shields… Are designed to block phasing objects, but their launch bays need to drop their shields in order to launch… There they go. And.. through

    Since the launch bay isn't designed for people, it isn't anything like as spacious as normal launch bays. The factory units spit the gunships almost directly out of the mothership, the rest stacked one atop the other off to the side. But the area is accessible by engineering crews, so there's a door… With no anti-phasing shielding. I fly through there and start looking for somewhere to access the internal computer network.

    The corridors are fairly roomy, which, again, is a feature their ships used to have. Short range scans pick up scale-fragments and DNA, but I won't actually take physical samples until it's time to act openly. I'm not seeing anything that would easily detect me, but all it would take is one scarab attached to one of the crew and the jig would be up.

    Here we go. Maintenance hatch. Locked, but there's no force field and.. no damage detection in the structure of the metal. I take position, phase in and trigger my armour to extrude an exploratory cable, which punches through the hatch and worms its way down and inside. Cable there, carefully interface and link in…

    I can't request data. For that I'd need log in details or to interface directly with the central database. But I can monitor data traffic and see what's going on.

    And the answer is… Not a lot. Internal monitoring doesn't appear to refer to the central computer on a routine basis, which would be a weakness in some circumstances but doesn’t make much difference for me. Gunship production figures are being sent, but only an automatic acknowledgement is being sent back.

    Ah, none of this matters. A hundred or a thousand won't make any difference to me. I need to find the crew, examine them and then destroy the ships. Nothing I'm getting identified the crew's location, but empathic vision… There, that'll do.

    I withdraw the cable and fly in the direction of what appears to be an engineering workshop. Out of combat these are usually fairly quiet, while in combat they'll be a frantic hub of repair requests and damage control teams. If they're waiting for attack orders then they shouldn't be running drills because the last thing they'd want is to have anyone out of position when the shooting starts, but that doesn't mean that they'll have a full house.

    No one in the corridors, but I don't know enough about their fleet doctrine to know how unusual that is. Their shields should block most forms of teleportation so they might well have decided that marine patrols were superfluous, and since this is a warship there wouldn't necessarily be a lot of traffic. Door to the engineering station is through there

    Ah, my first juluuni. It looks like they're working to turn ore into refined metals, but taking a look…

    Huh.

    Okay, it seems that I was being a bit too harsh on the Reach. Someone deviated from the 'acquiescent, quiescent, obsolescent' paradigm. These people aren't just suppressed, they genuinely don't have desires outside being useful to the Reach any longer. Their neurology has been redesigned… Yes, and their genes as well to ensure that future generations are the same. Their endocrine system has had a bit of a rework…

    So. This is what the Reach has planned for us. The propaganda value will be significant if I can grab a few and record their responses to interviews. But there's no point in grabbing these individuals…

    Huh. For a moment I'm reminded of what Zauriel said about angels. 'I am uncertain as to whether my mind is truly more limited than that of a deeply devout Human. What do you believe that free will means? What is it that you think that I lack?'

    I mean, I haven't seen a Reachian since I got here, and a look out across the fleet shows me no one with their particular desire set-up. Scan instead… Yes, no-

    "BLAUGH-IGH! BLAUGH-IGH!"

    -sign of them, but that did set off the alarms and flashing warning lights. And-. And that was a jump; the fleet moved again. So they have a way to detect ring scans, and my initial scan may well have been the reason for the last jump. It might be interesting to have Ranx or Mother of Mercy use their rings to do extreme range scans of the entirety of Reach space and see what happens.

    Any sense in drawing this out further? No, I don't think so.

    I drop stealth, construct spears impaling the engineers in this section. A thick construct cable worms its way into the local computers and begins demanding data, while a crumbler construct punches its way through the multiple decks between me and the computer core. There are all sorts of protocols for wiping computers during boarding actions, but the fact is that if you wipe your own computers every five minutes it's very hard to get anything done. There has to be a delay while a report is confirmed, and it isn't that easy to-.

    There's a flare as a fission explosion destroys the computer core. And… We've dropped shields and-. And the room shakes slightly as the rest of the fleet starts shooting at us.

    Alright then. If

    that's all it

    takes, I'll take this ship's computer core into subspace and

    then try

    this ship's bridge crew.
     
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  15. moralrelativity

    moralrelativity Recovering pendant.

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    Needs a full stop.
    to -> the
    spit the gunships out almost directly out of the -> spit out the gunships almost directly out of the
    That's an impressive display. I wonder if OL's going to destroy the fleet before he goes?
     
  16. Ej190

    Ej190 Making the rounds.

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    How monstrous. How... Efficient.

    I suppose the Reach ISN'T as stupid evil and we thought they were.
     
  17. Chojin Patriarch

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    ...Some sort of religious obligation they felt needed to be done? Rather enthusiastic over-mining? They didn't like the view? Unfortunately, there's none left to ask about it...

    That suggests a very thorough sort of aggressive combat doctrine. As in: Leave no enemy alive as you pass. And I suppose big conical gunboats wouldn't be all that agile...

    Hmm... A very drone-focused methodology. Presumably they were very attached to their lives, and refused to risk them in direct assaults... Let's hope there's nothing unexpected to deal with.

    Problem is what changes the Reach have wrought upon them. Which might not be so obvious.

    So, cannon-fodder to be thrown at an enemy without concern for their survival. I suspect most of these remnant fleets will be like that...

    Just as long as you can identify the Reach-made changes and try to revert them to original specs. That would be a nasty surprise...

    A response to the scan? Random drill? Some sort of long-term avoidance routine? Who knows?

    So the drones are basically fabbed and spat out the door in combat? I bet there's a huge stockpile of raw materials sitting in the holds... Still, hardly worth keeping them intact for that...

    To be fair, a pangolin-like species of humanoid would likely be broadly built. Now, to see how much data security they have...

    And there we have it: Massive data security. Wow. I'm impressed at the level of compartmentalisation.

    Not likely to find some juluuni mechanics sitting around shooting the breeze. Especially after a short FTL hop like that.

    For all we know, they keep individual personnel teams isolated in combat. Would be one way to minimise potential blue-on-blue incidents... Especially not knowing how their instincts affect their combat behaviour.

    ...So they're little more than meat robots, dutifully carrying out their orders for the Reach masters? That's downright evil in its utilitarianism... Then again, he's only looking at Desires, not their full psyche... I doubt things are much better off for the other lights in them.

    Maybe the higher ranks are more independent? Or at least more able to deal with situations outside their 'programming'?

    So they're operated remotely, ordered about via long-range transmissions? Perhaps you can find the system that receives them and learn the specs to give them some bad orders? Also, what an offensive-sounding alarm... Sounds like someone hacking up a lung.

    Heh. Set the remnant fleets scurrying about in pre-programmed responses that leave them wildly out of position? Would be amusing to imagine the frustration of their Reach managers.

    Hmm... Looks like a nuke on a deadman's switch? That's one way to clean out boarding parties, especially if it's laden with the nastier radiation bands. We've already got a good idea of what they think of the crew's value...

    Looting time. Yoink!

    See if these ones are any more intelligent. At the least, they'd have to be more capable of reacting to unusual situations.

    So, the juluuni have been rendered into little more than cogs in the Reach war machine? What's the bet ships from fleets like these are used as privateers to harass polities the Reach want to scare into an alliance? There'd have to be some reason to not simply render them down for raw materials, after all...
     
  18. Queshire

    Queshire Not too sore, are you?

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    Harry Potter's been on my mind lately. I imagine the process these guys went through could also produce something like what we see with the House Elfs there. SPEW was a joke because house elfs were legitimately happy and enthusiastic about their station. Except for Dobby trying to change things was distressing for them.

    Imagine if OL got the interview he wanted but instead of acting like brain chipped drones they act like a house elf would if asked about wizarding society?
     
  19. Mr Zoat

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    Thank you, corrected.
     
  20. Z3r0Sama

    Z3r0Sama Getting sticky.

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    Renegade managed to sweet talk his motherbox that genociding the Psions was perfectly acceptable course if action. It might be a waifu at this point.
     
  21. Darko

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    In the spoiler box page there was August 25th written above the link for this chapter.

    I think you may want to rewrite this, since that guy that Paul talked to a couple of chapters ago was mentioned as joining the Darkstars.

    maybe 'along, Orange'

    'their fleet'

    Except potentially finding a solution on how to break the Reach's indoctrination methods.

    I don't think you're being too harsh on them.

    If anything you were too easy on them.

    I'm reminded of that scene in DS9 where that young Jem'Hadar bowed to Odo after seeing what he was, even though he tried to attack him moments ago.

    maybe 'Mercy use their' remove 'to'
     
  22. Darko

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    Or just plain old stupidity.

    Or greed, if strip-mining was somehow more profitable

    Your hopes won't be met.

    An offensive sounding alarm to alert the crew of a offending party on the ship.

    Or who knows, maybe they actually like the sound.

    I'm reminded of a Stargate SG1 episode where a bit of alien music is played.

    To the humans it sounds horrible, but to the aliens it belonged to it was apparently very pleasing.

    They could also be using them as propaganda to show that they don't exterminate species and that those under them are happy.
     
  23. Darko

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    I think he said they were like the love child of Granny Goodness and Desaad.

    If that's true then it's easy to see why the Box wouldn't be so bothered by the idea.
     
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    Thank you, corrected.
    Wrong species. Threllian isn't juluuni.
     
  25. Rafin

    Rafin Know what you're doing yet?

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    Why would those two be better at doing something like that than the Illustress? It can't be personal computational capacity, because nothing forces you to actually read/absorb all the info you scan for instead of insta-dumping it or even creating a closed data packet on the ring for later use or sharing.
     
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    Then why was he hopeful if it wasn't his species, it felt like it was?

    Did he think that there may be more species the Reach haven't exterminated, even though the only one they know about are the Juluuni?
     
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    Maybe because they're both much, much bigger than Paul and that can somehow affect the outcome.
     
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    Agumentic Know what you're doing yet?

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    Because they know about more species that Juluuni, including Threllian's.
     
  29. rkyeun

    rkyeun Cabbitus Maximus

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    And then when he takes that ship's computer core back out of subspace, it also registers tampering and nukes.
     
  30. RichardWhereat

    RichardWhereat Aia airëa Fëanáro.

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    In this thread, or in Praise of Eros?
     
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