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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Discussion in 'Creative Writing' started by Mr Zoat, Jan 27, 2019.

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  1. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    Baby Grayven faces.
    Thank you, corrected.
    Not that I'm judging you or anything, but I've never written Grayven as wearing any kind of thong.
     
  2. lancelot

    lancelot Grand High Poobah

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    Have to admit the one thing that ruins the Grayven side story is how the idiot now believes his own lie.
     
  3. Chaoswind

    Chaoswind Lord of nonsense

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    The mask became the face and then he literally merged with OG Grayven, for all intents anf purposes Renegade is Grayven.
     
  4. Vaermina

    Vaermina Well worn.

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    He believes the lie because he mindbroke himself via Fatherbox.
     
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  5. Darko

    Darko Connoisseur.

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    To be fair, the artwork could be annoying and may cause a stroke to some people.

    What looks good on paper may not look so good animated or in live action.

    If you're talking about Mortalla, then that's not true.

    When renegade fought Actually Grayven, Actually Grayven told him that Mortalla wasn't his mother but just one of Darkseid's concubines.

    Actually Grayven's mom is apparently dead.

    Probably around the time we met Cranius.

    There was a moment way way back in the past where he seemed to notice that he was doing that and tried to stop himself.
     
  6. DrThoth

    DrThoth I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    That seems a little harsh, not to mention scandalous, to both Mr Zoat and his father :(
     
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  7. DAT_NOOB

    DAT_NOOB Accused of writing in a far away land

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    This is where IRL Zoat announces himself as Grayven Son of Darkseid IRL, isn't it?
     
  8. Flightless Man

    Flightless Man Versed in the lewd.

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    Would have been funny if one of the one shot pauls, was just paul who never inserted. At the grocery store or something, getting in a debate with the clerk and complaining about some of the things he fixed in the different universes.
     
  9. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    Biology teacher, and he's retired now.
    Not unless there's something Dad really needs to tell me.
     
  10. Rafin

    Rafin Not too sore, are you?

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    What? Then how in all hells did Fatherbox make Rene!Paul into such a good parallel to Grayven? Is he again so into his role that he forgot that? Because otherwise all you need to clone a dead New God should be a good soul recording by Desaad, a powerful yet soulless humanoid entity, a device to mold its flesh body and a Father Box.
     
  11. BR549

    BR549 This is filth! FILTH!!

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    "You know, there are some Decepticons who, upon finding themselves in a skin-covered room surrounded by aborted protoforms and mechanoids made of bark, would rub their hands together, marvel at the universe's infinite capacity for surprise and dive right in. I am not one of those Decepticons. I say we run away screaming." - Misfire, More than Meets the Eye #7
     
  12. Ngamer11

    Ngamer11 Experienced.

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    Perhaps the fact that Paul came from a universe that couldn't sustain souls meant that just giving him one via Fatherbox's influence turned him into an effective copy of Grayven that can't be duplicated due to the differing physical laws between the universes?
     
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  13. BR549

    BR549 This is filth! FILTH!!

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    To quote a line related to Scion 2nd Edition: He walked with the god until the god was forced to walk with him.
     
  14. Dur'id the Druid

    Dur'id the Druid Know what you're doing yet?

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    Welp, that's horror. Fridge horror in fact.

    I'll show myself out.
     
  15. Pinklestia

    Pinklestia Well worn.

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    So? Local Grayven was an experiment, that explains Darkseid mostly ignoring him.

    My Little Pony has Dungeon and Dragons mosters because Hasbro owns Dungeons and Dragons.

    Cranius.

    The Horror was always here.
     
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  16. Valint

    Valint I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    Wasn't one of the theories raised in-story that the original Paul was literally a Grayven who either deliberately or was forced to live a life as a mortal on Earth-Prime, to increase his understanding of life? (All very xianxia-like.)

    I mean, at least in the Renegade's version, his backstory has surpassed both Donna Troy and Power Girl in terms of no one being sure what the truth is any more, including both the MC and the readers in the 'no one'.
     
  17. boo600

    boo600 Welp

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    Huh.

    On the one hand, this makes sense - New Gods draw power from the Source, etc.

    On the other hand, I distinctly remember Grayven (Paul) reassuring Zatanna (back when he was turning his team into gods) that New Godhood would have no impact on where their souls ended up - basically, that she’d still go to Heaven. Be able to see her mom, that sort of thing. Not just merge with the Source.

    Did René!Paul not know what he was talking about, or was he lying? Or, given that he’s speaking of himself and Artemis, neither of whom is religious, is that merely what happens to atheistic New Gods?

    It certainly seems suboptimal for this Paul and his friends - people should not die when they are killed, if they have the resources to do otherwise. Sure, biological immortality is nice, but look at Parapaul and his experiences with Qa-matter and the Heavenly Host. Surely working on a redirection method is worth considering?
     
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  18. Stsword

    Stsword Versed in the lewd.

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    Soulless living bodies aren't that easy to come by, in Zoat cosmology they die quickly, empty shells missing that vital spark, the Pauls are an exception to that rule.

    So presumably these clones have their own souls, which interferes, whereas Renegade was a tabula rasa spiritually.

    Well unless the soulless vampire people of Atlantean myth are real.
     
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  19. Darko

    Darko Connoisseur.

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    He wouldn't technically be lying, but is just leaving out a lot of details.

    Humans that end up in Heaven apparently may merge with God, who in this story may be the Source, or at least an avatar of it or uses its power, so they kinda can meet their parents to and non-New God family/friends.
     
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  20. Vaermina

    Vaermina Well worn.

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    Yes, but that was something a different Paul found out, not Grayven.
     
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  21. Doccer

    Doccer I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    Which episode is that? I've been considering getting I to the series and I'd like to know what 1 to look for.
     
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  22. AmericanNumbers

    AmericanNumbers Not too sore, are you?

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    I think People miss that it isn't just Renegade believing the "lie" but that it's been clearly established that Paul lacked a soul in the DC universe way and that Renegade did not get that corrected before he went down the Grayven path and wound up with DARKSEID having straight up access to the blank canvas that was his soul. Darkseid made him Grayven and if Darkseid wills it? It effectively IS.
     
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  23. Cuchulin

    Cuchulin Versed in the lewd.

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    Darksied IS and it is as Darkseid wills.
     
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  24. Xmaster3000

    Xmaster3000 Know what you're doing yet?

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    You're gonna wanna start from season one, but the episode Darko is talking about is in season two. The episode in question heavily implies that someone (not saying who 'cause it's a spoiler) is a clone, and is not the first clone of that individual by a long shot.
     
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  25. Threadmarks: Regnancy (part 8)
    Mr Zoat

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    28th October 2012
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    "…because I would be fired."

    Ploutos strums the fingers of his right hand against the side of his coffee cup, avoiding my eyes. For a moment I feel awkward about hassling an old man, before I remind myself that while he is old he's younger than quite a few of the Olympians I've already spoken to and been turned down by.

    "Wouldn't that be economic suicide?"

    "Only in the same sense that smoking is suicide. The fundamentals of an economy are not harmed by short term price fluctuations. Real economic damage kills slowly but surely. The office I hold and the privileges that come with it are the most a person can hold in Greece without being elected. And because I am not elected and because it is my job to tell people who want to spend money they don't have that they can't, I don't have the support of a political machine and I don't have the support of the cabinet."

    "But you have the support of your peers-. You don't, because they want your job."

    "It's not as if I'm ever going to retire, after all."

    "You'd have to eventually, wouldn't you? I mean, they're going to notice eventually."

    "There are people in this world who do not age as most do. It would be simple to 'discover' that I was descended from a demigod or some such thing, particularly with people growing accustomed to being guarded by the Heraklya."

    "I was surprised by how many of them volunteered."

    Given the effort it's taken to persuade other Amazons to go through the Dolmen Gate, the fact that most of Herakles' daughters were happy to decamp to the mainland came as a bit of a surprise. Particularly given the number of statues that had to be relocated in a hurry. Still, it's… Making the people of Greece feel a good deal safer, and been a major boon to the tourist industry.

    And not just from lesbians.

    It's also made it hard for the Orthodox Church to complain too much about the pagans, though that's probably going to change in the not-too-distant future. Having living proof of the power of the Olympians hanging around has emboldened the pagans, and… It's interesting to watch them trying to speak to the Amazons in Ancient Greek.

    I imagine it's like saying 'ayve' to a Roman and then being confused as to why they tell you to go away.

    "I was not."

    "Oh?"

    "During Themyscira's brief and fleeting contacts with the world outside of their island, it was usually the Heraklya who made the journey. Hippolyta knows that the government in Athens has no malice for her or her people, but that would not stop a single individual attacking them. The Heraklya are even more capable of taking care of themselves than their sister Amazons."

    "And because despite everything they're still defined by their father."

    "Which is not a bad thing as far as the rest of Greece is concerned."

    "The Archbishop's speech rather suggested otherwise."

    "It was a moderation on his former position, and an indication of the direction of travel. It is usually unwise for churchmen to spring things on their parishioners. They have long since acknowledged that we Olympians exist, and it actually helps their position that the Heraklya hold their father in such low regard."

    "So..?"

    "So I will wait between five years and a decade, until such things are normalised if not fully accepted, then I will make a quiet announcement concerning my own 'heritage'."

    "But a hard 'no' on acting as God of Commerce?"

    "You have a compromise in mind?"

    "Hellenism isn't exactly a major world religion at the moment."

    "That is true. And if I were to take the job, I doubt that it would be much different to the lectures I am periodically called upon to give to my fellow economists. Some time away from the office, but returning to Olympus rather than Davos."

    "I'm sure that Hephaestaean would prefer it if you were actively trying to proselytise, sharing your wisdom with anyone who needed it. But taking a day or two a month to answer those who request your guidance shouldn't be any great burden."

    "No." He nods. "No, I suppose that you are correct. And Hephaestaean does not want me to control a company for him?"

    "Given the rate at which I've been picking up rejections today, I think he'll be glad that you're willing to do anything."

    "Ah, yes. I see how that could happen. Despite his power, Zeus was never ambitious. He fought Cronus for his own survival and took power as his due, not because he sought it for its own sake."

    "Jesus never sought power for its own sake, and the religion he inspired is the largest on the planet."

    "True, but I have my suspicions about Paul and he founded the institution."

    "Not going to tell me that you met him?"

    "He would hardly have asked me for business advice. No, if you want to hear about the early church, I suggest speaking with Athena."

    "It has been suggested to me that I might like to avoid unplanned encounters with gods."

    A wry smile. "It may be wise. Will Hephaestaean expect me to offer him advice on how best to use the technology he is developing?"

    "I imagine that he would appreciate it, but he's willing to take whatever you're willing to offer. I.. work in a field where many of my contemporaries maintain separate identities for their civilian lives and heroic lives. That sort of deceit is really quite common."

    "A superhero of economics. I have never been referred to as that in such a literal way. Very well: I agree. You may tell Hephaestaean that I am willing to act as a part time God of Commerce, advising the rest of the pantheon and the most ardent of our worshippers."

    "And in the future-?"

    "In.. the future, I may be willing to revise my position. Depending on what else is happening. The difficulty is that I am not prepared to do half a job with the Greek economy, or half a job as a god."

    "Is there anyone you can train up for either job?"

    "No one I'd trust." He sighs. "I will speak with the Rector of the University of Athens about increasing the number of lectures I deliver. I should be able to sense anyone sufficiently capable, and I should be able to find time to mentor them. I have a suspicion that a man like you will not rest until this theological restructuring happens, whether the world is willing or not."

    "And on that note, do you want a power ring?"

    He frowns, his eyes dipping to my hands for a moment.

    "Why would you offer me one of those?"

    "It would explain the longevity without you needing to make overt reference to the Hellenic mythos, and allow you to move far faster than a normal man. The fact that I consult with you is already well known, so it wouldn't seem strange that I might give you one."

    "I will have to think on it at some length."
     
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  26. FeepingCreature

    FeepingCreature Not too sore, are you?

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    wouldn't
     
  27. Darko

    Darko Connoisseur.

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    "old, he's younger"

    Yeah, the Greeks may not be too pleased at discovering his true nature.

    Since when has a decision being stupid ever stopped a politician from going through with said decision.

    They are incredibly strong and they may not have been all that integrated in the mainstream Amazon society.

    Guy may have been horrible, but at least he wasn't ambitious.

    "field where"
     
  28. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    Thank you, corrected.
    No, I think that's okay.
    Thank you, corrected.
     
  29. Darko

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    The episode is called Hollow Mind, but yeah, like Xmaster3000 said, you wanna start from the first season.

    Trust me the show is great and if you start from the first episode then you'll be more invested in the characters and the impact the last episode has on some of them.

    Though be warned, it got really dark.
     
  30. FreeGod

    FreeGod If you see a God on the road fuck it!

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    Might have been better if he was. As is all he did was crush the ambitions of everyone else.
     
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