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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Discussion in 'Creative Writing' started by Mr Zoat, Jan 27, 2019.

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  1. Sorrow

    Sorrow Getting out there.

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    You know, it's times like these that I miss Fatty.
     
  2. Zeroguard

    Zeroguard Eater of M&M's

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    I'm not sure what you mean by 'actual Christian'? A quick Google search found at least one by the name of Siku whose done other work related to promoting Christianity but DC comics is a big enough name and they aren't directly aiming to promote Christianity as a goal that I cant find much fault with them not having many stories by 'actual Christians'. Its certainly baked into some of their wider mythos from what I know if of it via Mr. Zoats own story here but I dont really get what the issue would be as that's not really a part of their goal?
     
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  3. King of Frost

    King of Frost Wishing I was somewhere colder no doubt.

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    Yeah, I always loved when OL took him out and told him he could eat whoever he was after. Either as an intimidation tactic or to help other lanterns train up it was always fun.

    I always imagined him as looking like an orange Slimer from Ghost Busters, but from what I've learned he probably looked pretty horrific.
     
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  4. Mquz

    Mquz Versed in the lewd.

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    One of the core rules of Christianity is to never speak the Lord’s name in vain. Things like saying “Oh my God” and “God damn it” excessively are considered sins. Moreover, writing about a God or possibly angels who are not absolutely good is also considered a big no-no in Christianity. Same thing possibly with writing about a god who is not omnipresent and doing miracles.
    It’s a lot easier to handle if you think that DC is actually writing about a demiurge and referring to it as God. Though there have been aspects of god being omnipresent in some sections of DC. Basically anywhere the presence is involved.
     
  5. Stsword

    Stsword I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    As I already stated, the fate of every Earthborn Angel who doesn't die first is corruption.

    That was made quite explicit in Supergirl. Supergirl even grew bat wings made of fire at one point, after all.

    One person dies to save another, they and the Aspect of God merge, the Earthborn angel dies or falls to corruption and then dies, then the Aspect of God floats away until some other pair trigger the transformation.

    Reign in Hell did retcon the end of Supergirl though, since Linda shouldn't still have been an earthborn angel of fire anymore, but DC writers like to do that.

    For example, the Shade the Changing Man of Vertigo is far different from the Shade the Changing Man of New Earth. The Vertigo comics explanation for that? The New Earth Shade the Changing Man was a piece of fanfiction the Vertigo Shade the Changing Man wrote.

    Except Shade the Changing Man was a freaking member of the Suicide Squad who not only showed up in Suicide Squad but showed up in Young Justice, Checkmate, Crisis on Infinite Worlds, Blasters, and Firestorm. Pretty active for a guy who supposedly didn't exist.
     
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  6. Prince Charon

    Prince Charon Just zis guy, you know?

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    Different people have different definitions, so whatever definition Simonbob is using may be incompatible with the definition someone at DC who thinks of themself as a Christian but sees no reason to make sure people know that might have. Anything more detailed might get into a politics or religion derail.
     
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  7. Mquz

    Mquz Versed in the lewd.

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    The basic rule that all this recent fiction based on the Bible arguably violates is: “do not use the lord’s name in vain”. Medieval fiction is better about it, though “paradise lost” is still considered anti-Christian by some.
    Though the people who care tend to be very strictly Christian.
     
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  8. Prince Charon

    Prince Charon Just zis guy, you know?

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    OK, but not everyone is using the same definitions. That appears to be your definition. It may or may not be Simonbob's, we'll see. It easily could be a definition that no-one with any authority at DC has, while some could still have definitions that allow them to be Christians without feeling like hypocrites.
     
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  9. Simonbob

    Simonbob Really? You don't say.

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    Agreed.

    Generaly, I can't find any good Christans in DC comics anymore. There's Random Fanatic Killer ones, and Corrupt Priest No 34, but, a good samaritan who's obviously Christan? Even if they get killed helping out?

    Might just be that I haven't seen it, I haven't been looking much the last few years. More and more disgusted by the decicions made, but....

    When was the last good Priest stepping in, even if a superhero needed to help? The last Angel who didn't make things worse?


    Note, I'm not Christan myself. I just have started to note how often people are hostile to that particular Faith, when, all too often, there is much worse getting a pass.

    I guess I'm just enough of a contraian asshole that when I see some group being attacked, I have to point out the groups that are worse are not.


    I really HATE the current culture. Way, WAY too much lies, and way too many people who will go after you for telling the truth.


    Should get off the subject, though. No Politics in QQ, after all.
     
  10. Queshire

    Queshire Not too sore, are you?

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    I've ranted enough about Christianity being singled out one way or another compared to other religions, and I count getting treated negatively like with Hellblazer to fall under that.

    Dresden Files does it best in my opinion, though I choose to ignore the word of author about the Archangels basically pruning timelines/destroying galaxies.
     
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  11. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    There was a mention in... I think it was in a book focusing on Azreal. Two characters were talking about religion and one mentioned that his priest had died pulling people out of wrecked buildings during No Man's Land. And Zauriel is generally doing good.
     
  12. Queshire

    Queshire Not too sore, are you?

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    I don't know about recently, but over in Marvel Nightcrawler's faith has always been a pretty big deal for him. He even became a priest iirc.

    Edit: Also, though they don't make a big deal about their faith I feel like it could generally be presumed that most big name superheroes not established as being another faith would have some influence of being Christian just by virtue of 'MURICA.
     
  13. Simonbob

    Simonbob Really? You don't say.

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    Sure.

    How many decades ago, was that? Had to be 15+ years ago, If I've heard about it.
     
  14. Chaoswind

    Chaoswind Lord of nonsense

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    He is thanking Paul for hand delivering a depowered Noriel to him, I wouldn't be surprised if the little shit took the time to enjoy himself before completing the ritual... And yes I am talking about the R word, he has a relationship with the teenager Linda (ergo sex) , so I am almost certain the power fantasy of raping an angel would be too much to resist for a demon like him.
     
  15. inglorius

    inglorius Getting out there.

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    Point for style, OL.
    Double "free" feels awkward here, consider "pulls him out" instead?
     
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  16. Queshire

    Queshire Not too sore, are you?

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    In 2014 he gave up heaven in order to help out his friends and come back to life.
     
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  17. Sockmonkey

    Sockmonkey Know what you're doing yet?

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    Regarding the Mammon bit, none of the "tweaks" OL performed ran counter to Mammon's essential nature, and were things that he might have been talked around to eventually. That's why the changes took so well. He still wants influence, wealth, resources, etc.
     
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  18. Simonbob

    Simonbob Really? You don't say.

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    K.

    Haven't been reading comics.
     
  19. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    I agree.
     
  20. Handlewithcare

    Handlewithcare Not too sore, are you?

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    Still unsure about the scope of this.
    It sems to be a minor drug operation...involving a major demoness.
    And some random, small scale drug peddler...who managed to bind a fallen angel into his girlfriend.
     
  21. Queshire

    Queshire Not too sore, are you?

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    Eh... Demonic equivalent of a casual hobby maybe?
     
  22. Diraniola

    Diraniola Not too sore, are you?

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    Treason, Grand Larceny, and Jaywalking
     
  23. Gantradies

    Gantradies Know what you're doing yet?

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    you have to admit, THAT'd make a hilerious punchline- OL and Local Law enforcement/the JL agreeing, and blowing days/weeks preparing for a "second boot" that's never gonna get the wall- it'd be GLORIOUSLY anticlimatic- i can almost hear Ambush Bug dropping a comic/the remote and complaining loudly as he goes for another soda halfway between the side's of the 4th wall!
     
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  24. Lubaf

    Lubaf Meow.

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    Go look up Christopher Priest. Currently writing Deathstroke, and a Baptist minister, and boy does it show in a subtle way. (The focus of this Deathstroke run? Is Deathstroke redeemable, and, given that it's Deathstroke we're talking about, why isn't he?)

    Thanks
    Luc "Exception That Proves The Rule?" French
     
  25. Pinklestia

    Pinklestia Experienced.

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    Angel is a rapist and murdered but is still "Good".

    Demon saves lives and the World but is still "Evil."

    Yeah, fuck that.
     
  26. Buggy123

    Buggy123 I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    It's been over an hour since the usual post time. It's official, Zoat's dead.

    We need to start assigning roles for his funeral.
     
  27. Jacen

    Jacen I am of no consequence.

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    Noooooooooooooooooo
     
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  28. Fireboy13

    Fireboy13 Gone for Good

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    he shall be missed
     
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  29. Someguy Somewhere

    Someguy Somewhere The Critical Fumbler

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    He seemed pretty lively about an hour ago in the Eros thread.
     
  30. PDV

    PDV The Revelation That Uncertainty is Itself a Answer

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    Tangentially: I'm a committed atheist but I still want to see a Catholic Green Lantern. "On earth as it is in heaven. By green lantern's light." is too excellent an oath.
     
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