With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Given my experience with Neo Nazi's, waving the flag and screaming the mottos is more then enough to do it. Such a fun bunch.

Why do you honestly believe that I care that much? Or rather, Earth 16 SI-Me with a power ring would care that much? I would be seriously concerned at the level of awe-inspiring destruction that guy would be willing to do once he got cranked up.

But I'm totally sure she is just the most innocent little Nazi there ever was. For the record, I wouldn't go easy on Overman either.

Not...entirely sure you're all that up to date with the right-wing of Israel. I don't think she'd make it out of the room if they held all the power. Israel doesn't really fuck around.

I mean, I would have already flattened her for all the "sub-human" cracks. Plus, thinking of Kaldur as a "Good house Negro" (And let us just hope Negro was the word) would have already had SI-Maxx creating several layers of wall to put her through.

Plus, I'm gay. First "Degenerate" Crack I get, I'm ripping her tongue out.

Nah.

I'm confused, are you trying to talk me out of my position with the thought of "They haven't exterminated any sub-humans just yet, due to the lack of them"?

I'm not saying it would be 40K style Exterminatus.....but I don't trust SI-Maxx not to employ righteous fire. Fairly certain that cute bastard's gonna end up with a Red ring anyway, maybe Yellow, so once he starts down that Rage path....well it's just gonna Hulk it's way up more and more.

Won't someone think of the poor, innocent nazis?

Ugh...threw up a little there.

Finally...enter key man! That was hard to read through. Had to bust it up just to get all the thoughts together.

 

I'm going to throw my hat into the ring here. Not because of a particularly strong viewpoint, but honestly this is the most discussion we've had that hasn't been banned since SV.

"Violence. Last resort of a sane man. First resort of a fool."

Also, Paul should definitely try and confuse her with Martian sexuality: "What do you mean they change their organs! Do they just flip a coin to pick a gender???"

 

Awwww, they were just about to get to the part where they tell her about the species with the seven sexes!

 

Duty calls. The reform of the National Socialist girl is postponed till we find a threat to punch to death.

 

He never adequately explained how that worked the first time.. hey! He never explained at all!

 

This is not a criticism, but why oh why do we end on a mysterious note so often. Oh well, I'd be more upset if I wasn't spoiled with updates.

I really feel bad for Angelika here, I hope she finds a new mental equilibrium soon.

 

I think he did, is all in regards to reproduction.

The ones that cannot reproduce are worker drones and asexual, the ones that gestate (get impregnated) and die as the youth tear them apart is another, the ones that can get themselves pregnant if the ones that impregnate others aren't available (they also die), there are the ones that can give birth to less clickers, but as a result don't die by being torn by the youth... And so on... Then again its 2:34 so i could be an hallucination of my malfunctioning mind.

 

due to me

Maybe Algelika's ride home is ready?

Lots of authors like to break scenes at dramatic moments because it builds tension and makes people tune in for the next installment. What I think Mr Zoat does well, compared to other fan-fiction authors, is balancing his use of dramatic tension with natural breaks and satisfying conclusions.

 

Birthing gender receives a nearly fertilized egg from oviposition gender, which received it from the combiner gender, which had a threesome with the egg transporting gender and seed transporting gender, who in turn got their cargo from the egg generating gender and seed generating gender, respectively. At each step of the process, genetic data is contributed, until the egg is fully fertile upon the contribution of the birthing gender.

It's not hard.

 

Thank you, corrected.

 

I am betting this is either the JL or Sivana calling OL.

 

MiSTER zOaT GOeS FlExXy fLeXXy wItH tHe pHiLoSophy 2:1

 

People gonna do what they will, regardless of the law. That's human nature.

Spoiler: Commentary spoilered for length

How naive of her. Forty-something and still has a lot to learn about the world.

Imagine the scandal. That's the kind of thing that can shake people's beliefs...

Oh, god. Embarrassment all round. I bet that was awkward as all hell.

Still trying to make ladies pregnant, OL? Wasn't Themyscira enough?

Good to see she's not so blindly loyal to the state. And that she loves her 'aunt'.

Gee, who knew? You're human after all.

As I said, the scandal could shatter the 'rightness' of the state.

...Dammit, she was making such progress. Try not to blow a gasket, Maxx...

What the State decides is 'healthy', of course. By which they mean making lots of babies for the Fuhrer!

I've almost missed that verbal tic.

She probably can't deny the proof of her eyes. Which is making her wonder what else the State is wrong about...

In other words, she was hoping for some girl talk with Aunty Gerri. Not working out so well...

That indoctrination runs deep...

Oof, not being gentle about it, is she?

Well, we assume they are. For all we know they're sitting on the watchtower playing canasta until someone comes up with an idea. Or face-punching criminals...

Wait, Hitchhikers Guide got written in this universe? I assume that's what it is, from a quick search.

And here's the centre of the conflict, in her mind at least. She's asking herself "Am I a bad person? Are we bad people?" and I don't think she's liking the conclusions she's coming to...

So easy to let it slip your mind, isn't it?

Whatever you feel is right. Not what the State would say, or your peers, but what your heart says is Right.

Pffft, unlikely. But he had to say it for completeness' sake.

A crisis of faith is always stressful. Unless your faith was weak to begin with. She's fighting the indoctrination of her childhood and the pressure of adult peers to look at the other side of things.

Seriously, whoever this is has the worst timing. Hopefully it's Guy or John calling to alert them to the Bleed aperture opening...

Argh, cliffhangers! At least we don't have to wait weeks to find out who's calling, like some fics. Stating it now, I'm betting this is Overman turning up, likely via a Shiftship.

Corrections:

...there are corrective measures, but...

Double space there.

 

No, it's from Nietzsche's Will to Power. I mean, it might have been in H2G2 as well, but that's not where she's recognising it from.

Thank you, corrected.

 

I can't find that quote?

And they haven't even mentioned the real reason yet: the human cost. Angelika is talking about abstract politics, she seems totally blind to the fact that there is human suffering attached to those.

She isn't even saying "it's worth it" because she seems totally unaware that there was something that had to be worth it in the first place!

 

This feels like such a railroad to be honest. It feels like Zoat is leaving out aspects of social unity that the Nazi's strove for in favour of his evidence based worldview that... doesn't fit with the Nazi ideals. At all. Like, I'm twisting my head to look at it from the other perspective, and it doesn't look convincing.

It feels like missing the point.

 

Neo-Nazi's aren't the same thing as WWII era German Nazi's or people like Overgirl, Even the ideology isn't really the same (assuming the particular Neo-Nazi even has a coherent ideology) as Neo-Nazi's are mostly two bit thuggish wannabies crudely imitating bigger "better" monsters that would hold them in utter contempt.

 

Overgirl still has to kill families of people suspected/confirmed of deviancy decades after their supremacy. If you add her comments from previous chapters, did they actually acheive social unity?

 

I'm going to have to use a very bad example here, but in context it would fit. Sorry about that.

So for the Nazi's, homosexuality would be an outrageous sexual deviancy. It's outright punishable by... I'm not even sure of the limits. It's bad. It would fit in with the likes of bestiality and pedophilia (sorry)- even in a Nazi eutopia, there would still be deviants from the acceptable. Just like in our own world there are extremists of every stripe, even a total Nazi victory wouldn't result in total social unity.

But on the whole, I would expect them, if they run the right programs and put the effort into it (and since they are, y'know, Nazi's, they probably did) then appart from the small divergences, the society as a whole is probably pretty unified.

 

National Socialism

 

Two updates ago, a bunch of people were complaining that Zoat was being too favourable to the nazi and letting her win arguments. This update, people are complaining that Zoat isn't being fair to the nazi by ignoring the benefits of such a societal structure entirely.

On tonight's episode of "The Author Can't Win".

 

I think it's only one person complaining about Zoat not being fair to the Notional Socialist, unless I've missed someone.

(Yes, the misspelling is intentional.)

 

It works well even if unfortunate

DC's Earth-10 is a bit weird with breeding centers to force procreation but little evidence of children from their most powerful? Zoat's version seems to still have socially existent "genetic inferiors" despite them being killed in facilities and genocides.

Theory: Most of Overgirl's positive socialization is with Overman and Donner* who would have different opinions than the majority of her society which has left the Party Line with less emotional weight for Overgirl.

 

That would likely be because the Nazi position is, to be blunt, complete horseshit. It doesn't result in social unity, it results in mass murder and deep unhappiness in anyone who doesn't perfectly fit the Nazi mould.

 

I’m assuming that genetically, the 7 sex species work a little like xo, xyy, xxx, or xxy syndrome, except they are far more common and don’t result in quite as many cases of infertility. yo might also be viable if neither the x or y chromosome were individually required for survival (in humans, the X chromosome codes for a lot of important things while the Y chromosome is just sort of extra, for lack of a better way to describe it).

 

Thank you, corrected.

The sexes are: Greater A, Greater B, Greater C, Lesser A, Lesser B, Lesser C and neutral.

Greaters can only breed with other Greaters, Lessers can only breed with other Lessers.

 

It’s different if Nazis can introduce a disease or something that kills all non-aryans (all people without certain genetic markers) That would prevent a war spanning decades and there being a huge rebellion - if the only people that could rebel were Aryans and those with other types of resistance to the disease.
For a sci-fi / comic book example, If they had, say, nanomachines, they could do just that - release a swarm of nanomachines that slowly kills everything that doesn’t have certain genetic markers by using their cells to create more nanomachines. So every person becomes a disease transmitter.

 

When the majority of the people left unpurged "perfectly fit the Nazi mould" then what you have could be called "social unity"

 

You know something Zoat i've realized that YOU are the reason I like talking more than fighting in a lot of fics now...and I dont know how I feel about that.