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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Discussion in 'Creative Writing' started by Mr Zoat, Jan 27, 2019.

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  1. Jormuungaand

    Jormuungaand Out of work World Serpent

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    There’s also the badass who WINS every important fight in his long life. So good no one can kill him yet denied Valhalla/Gre’thor (yes, this originally occurred to me concerning Klingons) because he was too good a warrior?
     
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  2. Smartkittykhan

    Smartkittykhan Getting out there.

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    Since they they were wounded in battle it would count.

    In fact, one of the undead vikings from a while back stated he died that way.
     
  3. Simonbob

    Simonbob Really? You don't say.

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    Nobody alive knows. Unless you ask the Asatru.




    Eventually, you get old, slow down, and lose. As long as you keep picking fights......
     
  4. Grek

    Grek aaaaaaaaaaaa

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    Depends on if the valkyrie sent to judge you thinks it should count. If you were a valkyrie and Odin said to get him warriors, would you let that guy in?
     
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  5. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    There was a scene in Vinland Saga where the wounded were layed out after a battle, and a gorup of healthy norsemen walked around with two axes. If a wounded colleague asked, they put one axe into their hand and then killed them with the second.
    He doesn't feel any obligation to run certain classes of decision past the League, as he doesn't feel that they're better at making them than he is.
     
  6. theaceoffire

    theaceoffire Know what you're doing yet?

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    Forget teaching Superman how to fight, try teaching him how to God damn duck or Dodge.

    "Oh, an unknown weapon from bad guys whom dedicated their lives to countering me, better fly at them in a straight line!" and "Ha! Hit my chest because I am invincible!" both drove me nuts.
     
  7. Prince Charon

    Prince Charon Just zis guy, you know?

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    To be fair, he's really hard to damage, and very much aware that if whatever is being shot at him misses, it could hit someone who is a hell of a lot more squishy than he is. Superman doesn't fear the bullets that hit him, he fears the ones that miss.
     
  8. Piratefish

    Piratefish Your first time is always over so quickly, isn't it?

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    Another thing about the norse afterlife is that it’s more of an afterlives. And even if you do die in battle, you’ve only about a 50% chance of ending up in vallhalla specifically: Freya takes half of the slain to her hall, Sessrumne, and has first pick, per the peace treaty between the aesir and vanir.
     
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  9. Soul Shocker

    Soul Shocker Getting sticky.

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    Shouldn't he also worry about ricochets?
     
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  10. Darko

    Darko I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    OL said that someone sued him because a bullet bounced off him and hit the one that sued him.
     
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  11. Prince Charon

    Prince Charon Just zis guy, you know?

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    Yes, but he has super-speed, so he can catch them.
     
  12. david

    david Getting out there.

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    I wouldn't call Red Son "unaltered" seeing as how
    he is (a highly evolved) human rather than kryptonian.
     
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  13. Darko

    Darko I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    True, but i was thinking more along the lines of him, Red Son, not receiving any additional powers or a boost to his already existing powers like DC 1.000.000 Superman did and only having the powers that were granted to him by evolution.
     
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  14. Stsword

    Stsword I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    There is no evidence that Superman 1 mill got anything beyond what he got naturally from his millenia of sundipping.

    The idea that he breached the Source Wall was based on nothing but a metaphor about the expression on his face looking like he had gone past the gates of Heaven and still hadn't found what he was looking for.

    Funny tidbit in the Grounded storyline, they made Superman Vandal Savage's origin. So in that story, Vandal is 50 thousand years old off of kryptonian longevity and healing factor bestowed on him by time lost Sunstone.

    As for kryptonian longevity, Superman 1 mill has nothing on Superman Null. He outlived his universe. Which he kept from dying until his only companion, a god, died.
     
  15. nick012000

    nick012000 Experienced.

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    Don't forget the Southern Poverty Law Center.

    Of course, she probably can take the heat, because a good chunk of people would just file it away under "Left-wing group says that something's racist again"... and I think that things might be starting to stray into modern politics (even if all the groups involved are well over 20 years old), so I'll just stop there.
     
  16. Darko

    Darko I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    I thought that Superman 1 mil was the one from All Star Superman that got a massive dose of sunlight when he saved those astronauts.
     
  17. Stsword

    Stsword I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    Why assume there is only one timeline that can result in Superman 1 million in the DC multiverse?

    Electric Warriors tied in Kamandi Last Boy on Earth, DC 1 Million, and the post-rebirth Legion of Superheroes.
     
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  18. Darko

    Darko I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    Zoat is Circe the daughter of Helios in your story like in the myths, or was that something she made up or someone else made up and was simply recorded?
     
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  19. icsm

    icsm Your first time is always over so quickly, isn't it?

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    Think of it as Natural Selection applied to religion. A cult that believes suicide to be the worst thing you can do is much more likely to stick around and spread itself than a cult that believes suicide to be benefitial.
     
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  20. Mquz

    Mquz Versed in the lewd.

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    Seems like she might have been a priestess or something? Though her powers don’t come from him, so probably not.
     
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  21. Darko

    Darko I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    I was thinking that Hecate gave her her powers because of her heritage, or maybe she saw some potential in Circe.
     
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  22. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    I haven't thought about it.
     
  23. TheMidnightRook

    TheMidnightRook Not too sore, are you?

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    He has super-speed when the writers bother to remember to give it too him. And really, he should be able to snatch the gun away before they can even pull the trigger, like The Flash sometimes does, there aren't any riccochets if the gun never fires.
     
  24. Imperator Pax

    Imperator Pax Talon Master

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    Technically thats a misconception, on pretty much all levels.

    Suicide in Catholic Theology primarily puts the mortal sin bits of why suicide is bad is doing it out of despair because you can't repent if you're dead. For example if you kill yourself trying to do something i.e. you're aware that this has a good chance of killing me / probably will kill me but you're doing it because X i.e. fire fighters, or soldiers in war the catholic church's opinion is its not a sin. If you take a fistful of pills and vodka because of a bad break up its a sin. (This was a big deal back in World War II for plane and ship crews as well as soldiers in general, but also again later in Vietnam)

    Valhal's entry requirements further just requires you to be dead by weapons or the result of an enemy. We see this recorded in the saga were a norse men leaps upon a bed of spears, after telling his captors to tell his step mother to tell her sons he died well. He doesn't die in what we would conventionally consider battle, but is still accorded the status of valiant dead. Similarly men sacrified (by hanging) to Odin are generally thought to end up in Valhal. Secondly while we have less conclusive proof in later surviving material its probable the at there were other Norse afterlives besides the two options of going to Odin or Hel. ANd quite frankly Hel's Nifleheim is more like the Greek Erebus than it is the Christian tradition of Hell.
     
  25. TheEyes

    TheEyes Versed in the lewd.

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    Does he believe he is in charge of the League then? Because the League is in charge of the Team and its membership, last I was aware of. Did OL launch a coup?

    Even if he were in charge, this was a very presumptuous decision to force on both the Team and the League. Creating buy in by keeping lines of communication open and discussing decisions before making them is a basic part of teamwork; you'd think that after the most recent episode in Vega that Paul wouldn't forget that so quickly.
     
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  26. Mquz

    Mquz Versed in the lewd.

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    Yeah, but going into a dangerous situation isn’t suicide - you never intend to die. You just prioritize a cause over survival. I’d still say suicide bombing/ kamikaze is different.
     
  27. Imperator Pax

    Imperator Pax Talon Master

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    And I'd agree, but I think thats probably a generational shift in values, versus how people looked at it in 1930 versus 70 years later
     
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  28. Darko

    Darko I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    I am convinced that Zoat may one day write a scenario where Pauls thoughtless actions lead to something bad happening and he will have to rethink how he goes about doing things. Such as telling the people who he technically works fro that he is bringing a nazi into one of their bases where their students, several of which fall under the category of people her philosophy encourages her to kill, live, without removing her powers.
    Yeah after the whole Vega incident and the lack of communication you would think that OL would try to increase how much he cooperates and communicates with people.
    Though when i read that episode and what followed i was reminded of OL and the Nabu incident. He could have potentially worked out a way to get Giovanni back without killing Nabu, such as asking Aquaman to recommend several mages that could serve as hosts. He wanted to go less bloodshed and genocide on Vega after his first genocide and may have let the Psions go if they released their prisoners, which would have been bad as i can't help but imagine them going to the Reach and making weapons to fight the OLC, such as potentially figuring out a way to make their soldiers power ring proof, like that golden skinned pirate lady that attacked that peace conference in Vega was and OL gave her to the Psions, though i guess she died with most of everyone on the Psion homeworld.
    I am also pretty sure that OL similarly thought that now he knows how the League felt when he didn't communicate with them about getting rid of Nabu.
     
  29. Imperator Pax

    Imperator Pax Talon Master

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    To expound on this, in NOrse mythology, Odin cheats to get the best warriors to his side, and the other gods repeatedly call him out on this.

    ANd his excuse is 'yeah but Ragnarok, and Loki's bastard wolf child.' So basically the idea is Odin will probably make you lose at some point. This is also a point why in later Norse society why Beserkers (associated with Odin) are generally the bad guy because they're blessed/ cursed to be immune to steel and fire (though that depends on myth and tradition)
     
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  30. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    That's not actually a hard and fast rule. Remember how Richard, Wallace and Kaldur tried recruiting Speedy in canon? And how Batman's opening introduction didn't mention recruitment authority, just training and mission assignment? The League can certainly drop people off, but... At this point the team has enough experience to basically handle things themselves.
    Not talking to the League is why Zatara isn't still a Nabu hatstand. Vega was more about taking his eye off the ball, which he isn't doing on Earth.
     
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