With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

... then he must be spending an awful lot of time in the sub continent, and Africa, and for that matter wider asia, because well after decolonization all those ethnic groups that hated each other before Europeans showed up went back to fighting each other with AKs.

I feel that this should have probably more directly referred to twelve ongoing civil wars. Like I could probably find you twelve separate insurgencies between the countries that are just in Southern Asia, or Central Africa, and depending on how you define insurgency in central and latin america (never mind South America), which actually is probably a good out with regards to the situation of the charter as to why the league isn't supposed to get involved, because bad feelings about US interventionism, because DC Earth including Earth 16 certainly appears to heave close to Real World relations, for example Bialya and their neighbors disputes

 

The point is that, if there were no supers involved, the sheer scale of this conflict would still be beyond the purview of municipal law enforcement/the criminal justice system, so, yeah, the concept of "crime" no longer applies, until someone breaks international laws which actually apply at the same scale.
As a dedicated crime fighting unit, the Team is already discharged of their duties, and could kick it up the chain whenever they felt like it. OL isn't 'bailing' so much as 'indulging' the others by doing even this amount of diplomacy.

 

If this happened in the Renegade timeline, how would it go down? On one hand, Grayven would love it if humanity made itself physically superior. On the other, he might prefer it if he has more intel in that area and might set up some deniable assets to assist the natives and have more of a say in what happens.

 

Indulging others, sure but he's also indulging himself. Paul wants to do this too. He likes helping peoples reach compromises. After all, a rising tide lifts all boats and the tide is going to have to lift a long way before they're out of the Reach's reach.

 

I prefer the original, where (IIRC) Oz says that he's not a Republic serial villain.

 

I updated it. Oz was speaking in a different era.

 

Zoat, if he's floating, he's very clearly above them.

 

Are we allowed to beat other posters to the ground with rolled up newspapers?

 

Fire could probably do alright even against 100 Danner Enhanciles. Even if her fire has trouble flat out burning them, she could probably just use her flames to suck up all the oxygen and asphyxiate them.

And I have to admit, the justifications for not interfering in this update is kind of amusing to me. None of these kinds of political concerns stopped the team from stepping in when Queen Bee was using her ability to try to bloodlessly annex one of her neighbors.

 

Civil disobedience, I think.

Depressingly accurate.

 

As of now, yes.

That was one nation attacking another.

 

Eh it's not quite the same thing, Queen Bee was a known super villain who was suddenly buddy buddy with a leader who up until recently openly hated her and upon investigation was mind controlling him and, iirc, holding his daughter hostage to ease her conquest of a foreign nation

Whereas here it's citizens of the country in question, albeit superpowered ones, protesting against their government, making it a civil political issue and thereby outside of the League's purview

 

Technically it's not an issue of 'if,' it should also be happening in the Renegade timeline as well (along, of course, with all the other Earth-16 SI timelines). I'd definitely be interested in how that goes, as well. IIRC, Black Manta is doing some work that's loosely related to assisting marginalized groups. Though the Brazilian government would probably try to stay far away from Renegade's radar, given his history in toppling governments (even if no one knows about his role in Darfur).

 

To quote the manual to the old 1986 game "Balance of Power" (a wonderful Cold War-era geopolitics simulation by the then soon-to-be-legendary Chris Crawford), "every nation in the world is blessed with its very own insurgency." In game terms, yes, this meant the primary opposition to the government, which, in some of them (mostly stable Western democracies) ended up being the Opposition/Minority party; for example, in game, the US's "insurgency" was listed as the Democratic Party, since the game came out when the GOP held power in the US. That said, in less stable areas, the in-game insurgency would be a group more commonly associated with the term, such as FARC, the Contras, the Mujehaddin, and (in West Germany) the Red Army Faction.

Even so, in the real world, just about every nation has its own semi-underground group of people who are opposed to the government and want to see it overthrown; many of them actually have multiple such groups, each with its own take on how things should be. I suspect that Zoat's meaning here was twelve cases of a civil war or what US law refers to as an "armed insurrection" against the government on the level of, say, The Troubles in Northern Ireland, where open acts of violence are commonplace, widespread, and openly endorsed as a means of action by the bulk of the anti-government forces, and said anti-government forces are powerful enough to pose an actual active threat to the stability of the government. By contrast (and I'm deliberately picking older examples here to avoid violating forum rules--but I'm pretty sure anyone can identify more recent examples that would qualify), the political violence in the US in the 60s and 70s being perpetrated by groups like the Weather Underground and the Symbionese Liberation Army would not be considered an active insurgency for these purposes, but rather criminal acts being committed for political purposes.

The lines between a terror campaign committed by an active insurgency and a series of terrorist attacks by a small group of thugs motivated by political goals are blurry, but they're an important distinction in this case.

 

I came out here for a good time and I'm feeling very attacked right now...
entirely by the newspapers.

 

You're thinking of either the fire magic Green Flame version or the post gene bomb turns into green flame that flies around version.

Zoat went with the "can breathe fire up to eight inches away from her face" version.

There's a reason Paul thought Tora was the more useful potential recruit of the two.

 

She can fly and throw fire a longer distances now, she leveled up after Linda/Noriel aka Loriel got recruited and taught Paul the modified magics Loriel is using and learned after thousands of years of being one of the angels of creation with her specialty being fire.

 

When did that happen? 'Cause I don't remember reading that or where if it was implied somewhere, maybe? In fact, I can't remember the angel bitch sharing any specific knowledge of fire magic or something... and now that I think about it, I'm still salty that they let her take the 'Supergirl' title, even if Kara didn't want to be a superheroine. It just feels stolen.

 

so for you, no news would be good news?

 

It came up shortly after the loriel episode, Paul visited fire and told her about Loriel and how she was cooperating with Atlantean magic researchers and how Paul figured the magiks loriel was using could apply to her aka Fire (Loriel is using magic to drastically enhance her new nature as a human soul "touched" by the angel of creation aligned to fire).

You would have to wait for Zoat or one of the regulars to give you the exact update as I am just a random internet dude with an above average memory that is too lazy and uninterested in life to put much effort into anything.

 

I hope she learns that friendship truly is magic.

 

Nawwww.... so sweet. *squee*

 

In her home land and many Shounen manga at least.

 

Prepare to be disappointed.

 

Yeah, that isn't an trigger for "Oh my god, are you dying?" or anything...

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Definitely giving off a 'condition terminal' vibe there, Grayven... You need to learn not to worry people.

Well, she's a smart one. Maybe she can work out some way to do it...

Heh, not the best student.

Heheheheh... Oh, you guys are just going to love the trip back. I wonder if Twilight Sparkle's been sent to Ponyville yet?

Come on, Grayven, you're flashing all the 'imminent death' flags here. I thought you were genre-savvy...

That is almost certainly the definition of 'a fate worse than death'...

The power of Friendship!

I suspect the latter part is mostly on Desaad, though... The bastard probably expects a healthy amount of one-upmanship amongst his minions.

And that would bias results because, guess what, people lie.

I doubt she would have gotten many responses, other than "What the hay?"

And of course, she couldn't have had some secret plan for you, oh no. Clearly she was just being a royal plot-head.

I think she just realised something about her life here...

Ha! Grayven's a good dad. Or father figure/mentor, in this case.

The power of love...

She has a reputation as a hard-ass to maintain. One even Donkeys would say "Girl, ease up." to.

Or a handful of randomly chosen Ponies who discover their synergy through Adventure!

Good to see she realises how bad she was back then.

I just know it'll leave her feeling burnt-out and empty instead. She's changed in the last year.

I seriously hope the Mane Six have assembled, just to see her reaction when she hears about it...

Dammit, trying to hold back laughter...

And you're wondering how you'd feel when you realised you were wrong. It's not a feeling you think you'd like...

Ah, there's the Sunset Shimmer we know and love.

Anticipation for the next episode building fast... We just have to get through the Second Children of Dawn Uprising first.

 

While Sunset may be extremely biased against her mentor, Celestia, to the point where she does some extremely stupid things, you have to admit that those secret tests of character can sometimes be extremely stupid, especially as some people will never pass them even if they have the qualifications, but may lack the necessary knowledge that they are being tested so won't perform in their best.

 

Why do you think it took a thousand years for Celestia to find someone who was:

1. Naturally strong at pony magic
2. Willing to study like an obsessive maniac for years to develop that natural talent into genuine prodigy status, AND
3. Willing to set aside all those years of effort because of a whimsical demand by her mentor to throw a party in a backwater nowhere town just for funsies, and throw enough effort into it that she'd bond with a half dozen other ponies along the way

Celestia was trying to thread an extremely narrow needle to put together the conditions needed to restore the Elements, and only managed it through luck and arguably destiny. The fact that Sunset met two out of the three criteria was just bad luck for her, and if she hadn't f-ed off to another universe then Celestia would have probably had a whole lot of apologies to hand her once Twilight got her accessory.

 

Except that's all wrong, because Twilight never had to use her own magic to trigger the Elements of Harmony. She just had to realise the intrinsic virtues of five other individuals which happened to match those of the Elements. Studying magic only would have mattered if that related to harmony, and given that neither Sunset or Twilight really knew anything about it we may reasonably conclude that it didn't.

 

IIRC in most fics ponies use the term "plot hole" as plot is the term for pony butt.

Well, that's kind of the point. Who you are in the dark, matters regarding Harmony and it's related stuff.

I predict much shenanigans, as the anti-life is one of the few things that would scare the shit out of Celestia.