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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Discussion in 'Creative Writing' started by Mr Zoat, Jan 27, 2019.

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  1. zerofarad

    zerofarad Know what you're doing yet?

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    Agreed: in the context of her other reactions, warily (cautious) seems way more likely than wearily (tired).
     
  2. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    Thank you, corrected.
    Turns out? It isn't. Came up a little way up the page. Most women go through menopause with thousands left.
     
  3. SIDoragon

    SIDoragon Getting sticky.

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    Batman is going to be pissed when he is forced to get a Danner injection to keep up with crime in Gotham. His most powerful weapon is his mind, but that doesn't mean much when Danner-Joker hits him in the head.
     
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  4. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    How would Mr Napier get enhanced by the Danner formula? Unless he's on good terms with a biomantically-inclined Lantern, he'd need to be a foetus to get any benefit.

    I mean, he could inject himself with it. It just wouldn't do much unless he was pregnant.
     
  5. Bramble Thorn

    Bramble Thorn Verified Silhouette

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    Also, an opening demand like this is a good way to let the other side know what the likely consequences would be if they do end up going to war, and the tribes win. Because if you lose a war, the bottom pretty much drops out of your negotiating position, and the other side gets to do pretty much whatever it wants.

    And it helps that it is what the tribes actually want to happen. To acknowledge that the further away from that initial position you try to make your counter offers, the more you are asking them to give up, and the less you should expect them to like it, and the more you need to take that into account when working on a compromise.

    Don't eggs go bad before they run out? I don't know if that is a separate issue from menopause, or what triggers menopause...

    It could be they have the same number of fertile years as a normal person, and after their 40s? become infertile like unenhanced females. (Albeit still looking like they are in their 20s.)

    Yup. It does matter. It's 'Moo.'
     
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  6. Vaermina

    Vaermina Versed in the lewd.

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    If a Lantern can do it that means there are technological ways to do it.

    Which means it's only a matter of time till someone scitzotech's a way to do it.
     
  7. Mquz

    Mquz Versed in the lewd.

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    All joker needs is a good biomancer, and those might not be that hard to find.
     
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  8. The Chosen One

    The Chosen One Getting out there.

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    Honestly, I made my last post with Google and Napkin Math, so, I'm not a gynecologist, and don't know the exact combination of biological mechanisms that contributes to the particular kind of decay that ultimately results in infertility, but as someone with an opinion on the internet, I think if the Formula had such miraculous preservative and regenerative effects on every part of the body except the ova and uterus, with the overall effect of restricting the reproductive rate of the new subspecies,

    It would imply, to me, some degree of agency in the alchemy, with an intent to regulate its own use; and I don't think Zoat is any more likely to introduce the Strength Force than he is the Speed Force.
     
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  9. Stsword

    Stsword I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    Or a medical nanite researcher like one David Kim.

    Pity Zoat wasn't a fan, a superhero whose origin is that he cured death with nanotechnology would fit right in with Paul's transhuman leanings.
     
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  10. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    No, he'd wreck it.
     
  11. Yog

    Yog Know what you're doing yet?

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    One has to think that the transformative societal effects of the Danner formula would be fascinating in the tribes. I mean, at this point there is a family that has four generations of Danner enhanciles in it. Family dynamic should be fascinating, where great grandmother is still fully active, looks to be in her twenties, can pass for a sister to grandmother, mother and daughter, and might be actively dating (if she is not happily married).

    There's also a point that Danner enhancile women likely can only have Danner enhancile babies, because a normal fetus is unlikely to survive to maturity in their womb (or the process of birth), simply due to the forces involved (the mother would crush the baby).

    Also, what kind of lifespan are we talking here? I don't think it has ever been firmly established. If someone in her eighties can pass for someone in her twenties, then simple extrapolation gives the projected lifespan of at least three hundred years.
     
  12. Ganurath

    Ganurath Apologizes For Nothing

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    Alternately, and this might sound crazy, the healing factor of the Danner formula repairs telomeres, so... clinical immortality?
     
  13. Maxx Crowley

    Maxx Crowley I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    I'm legitimately curious as to how so?
     
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  14. Stsword

    Stsword I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    It would take someone dying from old age to establish that, and that hasn't happened to a Danner enhancile yet.

    From the comics the age retardant factor would seem to be variable, actually. Although Zoat doesn't seem to be using that aspect.

    Here's Iron, born sometime around 1924 since he was a high school senior in 42, shaking hands with Superman in 2011.

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    Note that he's had that skunk stripe since WW2, if not sooner.

    Hugo, while still looking vigorous, looked older during WW2
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    And Iron's son Walter, who inherited superstrength and durability, looked like an evil Clint Eastwood. [​IMG]
     
  15. Frank Iannetta

    Frank Iannetta Getting some practice in, huh?

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    Age of menopause seems to be at least in part genetically determined, although earlier menopause occurs with toxic factors to the ovaries, such as smoking and surgery to the ovaries and uterus. Part of perimenopause seems to be the aging of the ovaries, so it can not respond to follicle stimulating hormone and luteinizing hormone from the pituitary, so hormone production slows and ultimately ceases. Since the Danner formula gives regenerative benefits, it is logical that the ovaries would last longer, so women would be able to conceive at later ages. The oldest verified woman to conceive naturally was 59 years old.

    Yes, I am a physician.
     
  16. Vaermina

    Vaermina Versed in the lewd.

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    I feel the need to point out here that if it really genetic aging you would have 20 year olds that still looked like children.

    Odds are the healing just counteracts the negative effects of aging keeping them relatively healthy till a person hits the point where they basically fall apart.
     
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  17. Yog

    Yog Know what you're doing yet?

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    Not really. If anything I would expect faster maturation (due to higher rate of regeneration and cellular division), while aging is retarded, so a Danner enhancile would reach their peak maturity early and maintain it longer.
    Not really? I mean, using ring scans, a pattern could be established by doing scans of multiple people and comparing their equivalent biological age to their chronological age.
     
  18. Threadmarks: Jungle Gym (part 20)
    Mr Zoat

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    Mr Souza smiles nervously at me, his eyes slowly shifting to the Accala tribe members who accompanied me.

    "So… Do you know who did it?"

    One of the young men looks away, before having his right shoulder grabbed and shaken by his mother.

    "I did."

    "And…" Mr Souza looks at me. "Is he under arrest?"

    "No, because there's a bit of a civil war going on, and I'm afraid that the ongoing activity of people like yourself-" He frowns and shakes his head in bewilderment. "-has been a contributing factor in causing it."

    "Ah… Civil war? Since… When?"

    "A couple of hours ago. Since the Accala are negotiating with the government, this-" I gesture to the group with my right hand. "-group aren't going to take any further action against you and yours, but if negotiations fall through they're going to chase everyone off and destroy your machinery."

    The frown is becoming more irritated than confused.

    "Five people?"

    "Does the name 'Hugo Danner' sound familiar?" He shakes his head. I shrug, turn towards the prematurely emancipating young man and nod at the wrecked truck. "A demonstration's probably best."

    The young man walks confidently towards the truck, ignoring the lumberers who have started gathering around. These are physically active men in their prime, or only a little beyond it. And the tribespeople look strong, but the workers can see that they've got completely overwhelming numbers on their side. In the normal run of things… I imagine that quite a lot of confrontations like this don't get back to the police.

    I make eye contact with Overgirl, then nod upwards. She hesitates for a moment, then flies upwards into position to catch-.

    The young man picks up the truck's tow bar and keeps lifting, the truck ending up front end down. People start backing away as he gets a better grip on the frame and heaves-.

    The truck spins through the air for about twenty metres before Overgirl catches it, absorbing the momentum and then flying it back to the ground. It's even more worse for wear now, but it was pretty much a write-off anyway.

    "Ohhh…"

    Mr Souza's eyes widen a little, and there's a small but definite backing off amongst the crowd. They're not fleeing, but they certainly aren't going to try administering a punishment beating anytime soon.

    "They're all that strong."

    Mr Souza's still looking at the truck.

    "Oh. And you're not arresting them?"

    "No. The core of their complaint against the Brazilian government is that they're letting people like you do things like this-."

    "We have.. permits. This is not an illegal operation."

    "That's… That's rather the problem, yes. If it was illegal then they'd probably punish you themselves. But the government allows it which means that the government is the problem. The young man there wasn't supposed to do this yet. Their original plan was to give it a few more years and then wreck every piece of machinery and chase the people out. But it turns out that this is a site of historical significance for them and he got a little angry about it."

    Which is a lie. They actually get one of the substances they use for their jungle chemistry version of the Danner formula here, but the Accala don't appear to realise that I can overhear them from just about any distance and I don't want them to. I also don't want to give the Brazilian government any information which might encourage them to try fighting this out. Not being able to make more enhanciles wouldn't do anything about the ones they already have, and they could almost certainly source the materials from somewhere else.

    "Are they going to attack us?"

    "Probably not. But I suspect that you're going to get a telephone call before too long telling you to pack up and leave, and… You might want to anticipate the order, because if negotiations with the government break down they're going to smash through here on their way to Brasilia."

    "Aren't you…" He wiggles his right forefinger around in a circle. "Supposed to stop things like that?"

    "Giving you a completely accurate answer to that requires… A fairly lengthy lecture on political and social philosophy. Short version?" He nods. "Both the Brazilian government and the Accala have sufficiently unclean hands that I'm not moved to help either. Sometimes people can't talk out their disagreements and -barring a superior power making a ruling- that just leaves them fighting to settle the issue instead."

    "Aren't the Justice League a superior power? I mean…"

    "Do you want the Justice League ruling the planet? Do you believe that they're so inherently wonderful that they should be able to tell anyone to do whatever they want, and everyone should just go along with that?"

    "No, but they're stronger-."

    "Yes, and if the Accala try killing civilians or the government starts trying to nuke the Amazon, they'll step in. But as things stand there's no obvious reason to pick one side over the other. And in either case our work here is done." I turn back to the group of Accala who accompanied me. "Do you want a lift back, or-?"

    The family's matriarch shakes her head as they turn and-. They don't leap away like Kon used to, or try running at full strength and get their legs stuck in the ground. But they do run with enough force to shake the ground, and move with enough speed to get out of sight almost immediately.

    "I.. should.. go and make some calls…"

    I nod. "That would be wise. I don't think that the Brazilian government is telling anyone anything yet."

    Ms Holguin's breaking news piece should be up soon, though hers isn't exactly a major international news outlet. It might take a while to get picked up more widely. Mr Souza waves his right arm in the general direction of his workers as he walks away, and Garth and Angelika approach as the crowd disperses.

    "Civil war?" Garth looks concerned. "If.. that's true, I need to speak with King Orin."

    "Only if I'm planning to pick a side, and I'm not. We'll be serving as neutral third party go-betweens, unless fighting starts in which case we'll be leaving. Wonder Woman is handling negotiations, which means that our job here is over."

    He nods. "How are they so strong?"

    "The Danner formula." Angelika looks intrigued. "The jungle people are still using it."

    "Yes." I frown, and I nearly say 'no offence, but', but then I remember who I'm talking to. "I'm surprised that doesn't bother you."

    "The jungle people are racially inferior to Aryans, but the Portuguese have made themselves mongrels. That is worse."

    Right…

    "I'll drop you both off in Brasilia, then head back to the Accalas' villiage. Our mission's over, but Wonder Woman might still want you."

    They both nod, and just before the camp vanishes I see the workers beginning to pack up in a hurry.
     
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  19. Queshire

    Queshire Not too sore, are you?

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    ...and she's as 'charming' as ever.
     
  20. Sceptic

    Sceptic Critical Irrationalist

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    Barring. And you may want a space after the dash.
    Bother (said Pooh).
     
  21. RichardWhereat

    RichardWhereat Aia airëa Fëanáro.

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    Pfft. Mongrels are better than any purebreed. They're also more adorable, and deserve more love. They might be unpredictable compared to some inbred pure breed, but that just means you need to take the time to get to know them.

    Also, making them stay outside, instead of under the blankets in your bed is a horrible idea. Just check them for ticks and fleas every so often.
     
  22. Grimnar

    Grimnar Versed in the lewd.

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    I'm assuming this in reference to mixing with the native South Americans?

    Or just, y'know, being Iberians.
     
  23. Stsword

    Stsword I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    You've apparently forgotten that Zoat made the formula alchemy, which means this is magic, which means in this case the laws of biology can go screw themselves, just like the Garrick formula beats the laws of physics like a drum.

    So their lifespan would be determined by magic. Do they age slower if they have a genetic propensity for magic? Do they age slower if they live in a more magically active area? Are different background energies more compatible with the a Dannered soul than others?

    Or maybe they won't grow old ever, but will just be in perfect health and then drop dead because the stars were right.
     
  24. Vaermina

    Vaermina Versed in the lewd.

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    Congratulations Paul, you just failed at preventing hundreds of thousands of people dying.

    And all but guaranteed a number of countries are going to develop chemical and biological weaponry so the same sort of thing can never happen to them.
     
  25. Mr Zoat

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    Thank you, corrected.
    Yes.
     
  26. Handlewithcare

    Handlewithcare I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    And your solution would have been...?

    I for one find it surprising but refreshing to not see the hero pull a solution out of his ass but instead go "the picture isn't clear and it's not my jurisdiction. Bye!"
     
  27. Chojin Patriarch

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    Yes, give you one guess who it was. While he's a bit old to be spanked, I expect he's had quite the talking to.

    Boy, that's blunt. I see OL is in one of his Bryonic moods.

    That matter-of-fact tone is just a little concerning. OL is just done with this mission, isn't he?

    Dude should have studied history a little more in school. Admittedly, Hugo Danner's uprising is probably only a minor footnote in most local textbooks...

    And usually end up with the natives sporting a few bruises. Not the most pleasant aspect of the culture... This is going to be worth recording the looks on their faces.

    Yeah, superhuman strength is easy to picture (Imagine the cover of Action Comics #1) but a first-hand demonstration is always a shock.

    That is the sound of a man who is contemplating needing brown pants...:p

    Well, I imagine there's a little variation amongst them, mostly based on gender and build, but accurate enough.

    I rather expect that would result in some quite exciting moments...

    I don't they care either way. If anything, it just means they might hit a little softer.

    Ah, setting up a legend of 'ancient native burial ground' to help convince them to leave.

    Sensible on all counts. The components are probably fairly common, the effect coming in how they're combined.

    And I doubt they'll worry too much about waiting for you to get out of their way.

    In other words: "Not my problem, sort it out yourselves."

    Because that's how you get the Justice Lords. And you don't want the Justice Lords.

    Boy, OL really is done with this shit. Still, at least it was him here. Who knows how the other squads might have handled things...

    Yeah, that's the experienced movement of someone who've always had super-strength... How freaky must it look to see someone hitting what, 40 kM/h at a jog? I'm reminded of the super-run effects used for Emil Blonsky in the Incredible Hulk.

    But the secret will be out soon enough.

    Oh, don't worry, He'll hear about this soon enough.

    There's that stunning intellect at work. But then, she's familiar with how Dannered people move, from her Donner.

    Seriously, Overman can't turn up soon enough...

    Feels like a loss, doesn't it? Not that he can be bothered caring anymore.

    Seriously, I don't see Batman being happy with this situation at all. Or any of the League. But really, what can OL do here? Trying to force one side or the other would raise objections, and this isn't a problem to be solved by Righteous Face-punching, as much as anyone here would like it to be.

    Corrections:
    This is not an illegal operation.
    "Supposed to stop things like that?"
    ...as the crowd disperses.
    ...racially inferior to Aryans,
     
  28. Massgamer

    Massgamer Know what you're doing yet?

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    I still find it funny how Nazis see interbreeding as worse than actual different ethnic group. Like, Overgirl even said that back home all they did was relocate people of color to certain continents instead of wiping them out like they did the Jews, handicapped, those of a different sexual orientation, etc.
    Like said there is no clear "right" side to all this, though I assume everyone agrees they would prefer if a peaceful settlement was reached in general. This isn't crime but just internal issues that their charter and even GLs' rules prevent them getting involved unless it gets really bloody and warcrimy.
     
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    He does that every day he doesn't merge with the Ophidian and do his best benevolent Darkseid impression by mind controlling as much of the universe as possible. Additionally, 'failed' implies on some level that he made an attempt which isn't really all that accurate. It might be better to say that he succeeded at not mind controlling hundreds of thousands of people... which, again, is something he does on a daily basis.
    That's hardly his fault. It's not something most countries should have any real reason to worry about for decades at the least and... so what?
     
  30. RichardWhereat

    RichardWhereat Aia airëa Fëanáro.

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    I too refrain from killing people every day. I'm a hero.

    That's not sarcasm. I actually am a hero, and I agree with your response. Still not sarcasm.
     
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