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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Discussion in 'Creative Writing' started by Mr Zoat, Jan 27, 2019.

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  1. BartlettMagic

    BartlettMagic just GIVE me... the f'n UPDATES

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    ha! excellent little snippet there.

    i wouldn't say it's tortuous, but this is me with the (apparently?) Warhammer chapters. i enjoy Renegade, but i know absolutely nothing about Warhammer. i'm shocked to see myself type this, but i know more about MLP than i do Warhammer, so the Warhammer chapters are just confusing for me.

    i'm still hoping, in my heart of hearts, that someday Lobo will make an appearance in the Main storyline. as the last Czarnian and having a less-than-pleasant personality, I see him as being an excellent foil for Paul's straight man. there's precedent for him being in Young Justice, too, so it's not too far-fetched!

    i also hope for an update on the Ophidian and her dis/satisfaction with having her own Corps.

    regardless, Zoat, keep up the good work ya bastich.
     
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  2. Coda

    Coda I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    I want to say it's happened before but this story is over three million words long so I can't pinpoint in my memory when it was.

    It makes sense that the ring would want to communicate information about different dialects of the same source language as different dialects of the same target language.

    I did say "if she's functioning fine." If it's actually introducing a problem, that's another story entirely.
     
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  3. Mquz

    Mquz Versed in the lewd.

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    They might be the same source language, but it’s been more than a thousand years. At this point, due to linguistic drift, their languages should be less similar than English and French, which both came from Latin/ Greek. Probably closer to English and Russian, which both came partially from Greek, but bastardized with the local languages to make their own new combinations. It’s still weird that the ring is saying the language they’re speaking is as close to standard Equestrian as Scottish is to British English but Subset shimmer still can’t understand them. If this is the way the ring translates, have to wonder what Grayven sounds like to the other pony.
     
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  4. Albert Scoot

    Albert Scoot Know what you're doing yet?

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    The highlander ponies are going to be pissed that Grayven's brought back the sassenach.
     
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  5. GhostKing 666

    GhostKing 666 Getting sticky.

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    English isn't a romance language. English is descended from Old English, otherwise known as Anglo-Saxon which is one of the West Germanic languages. Then after the Norman conquest it got replaced with Anglo-Norman, a French relative before hybridizing into the various Middle English dialects(of which the London version ended up evolving into Early Modern English and then into Modern English).
     
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  6. Senevri

    Senevri Know what you're doing yet?

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    The ponies are clearly not OCD, when referring to the actual condition and not colloquially.
    Well. Equestria probably isn't intended to be a death world canonically, either.
     
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  7. Coda

    Coda I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    In addition to GhostKing's excellent point, one thing about linguistic drift is that the fastest source of drift is contact with other languages. Isolated populations tend to stay closer to the ancestral tongue than populations engaging in commerce with other cultures. In fact, these isolated dialects can be very informative in studying language evolution and history. They do, of course, still drift, but it's not nearly as rapid.

    Case in point: I can, with some effort, muddle through Middle English untranslated. That's around 900 years. Most of the difficulty comes in changes in how the language is written -- there are entire letters of the Middle English alphabet that we don't have anymore. But it's easy to tell that it's the same language. If it's read aloud (at least with our best reconstruction of what the vowels sounded like), it sounds sort of like English spoken as if it were German.
     
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  8. Darko

    Darko Experienced.

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    Zoat are you going to feature Dr Hooves in this or any other future episode involving Equestria?
    Considering his interest in science and the renegades advanced technology...
     
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  9. Siskulous

    Siskulous Know what you're doing yet?

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    Actual OCD is a psychological condition, but there are plenty of people who don't have that condition and stupidly obsess over things anyway. I would argue that controlling the weather the way they seem to is less obsessive and more "we've always done it this way" type thinking. And, in my opinion, mindlessly doing something because it's been done that way before without ever questioning it...well, it's not stupidity exactly, but it also doesn't exactly suggest great intelligence.
     
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  10. TheMidnightRook

    TheMidnightRook I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    There's also some significant benefits to Equestria's weather management. They never need to worry about losing crops to drought, or excessive rain. They don't need to worry about autumn rains preventing them from harvesting their crops before they're buried in snow. They don't need to worry that the winter will last longer than they have food supplies for. They don't need to worry about a sudden cold snap in late spring causing them to lose seeds to frost.

    While the Renegade is right that many other cultures "get by" without controlling the weather, it honestly feels a bit OOC for him to be arguing against seizing every advantage they can.

     
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  11. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    No.
    Unless one pony with a tortoise obsession break into their weather factory and covers the country with snow.
     
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  12. TheMidnightRook

    TheMidnightRook I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    That doesn't mean there aren't still good reasons to implement such a system.

    For that matter, they didn't always have such a system, there would have had to have been a point in history where the pegasi weren't managing the weather for the farmer's, meaning that the farmer's had to have seen some benefit in actually continuing this relationship. Nobody wants to pay for a service that doesn't actually do anything.
     
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  13. Titanacoracy101

    Titanacoracy101 Making the rounds.

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    Oh by the Source, it would help immeasurably! I read the Ponykand talk like nine times and barely got it after the tenth!
     
  14. Titanacoracy101

    Titanacoracy101 Making the rounds.

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    I believe he’s saying that he isn’t planning on releasing anymore WF chapters.
     
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  15. Darko

    Darko Experienced.

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    Zoat if Paul can get rid of the chaotic influence over the daemons he assimilates then can he defeat Lucius The Eternal without being taken over even if he feels satisfaction from defeating him?
     
  16. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    If he met one Chaos Marine amongst the billions of billions in the grim dark galaxy of the 41st millennium? Yes, probably.
     
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  17. Yog

    Yog Know what you're doing yet?

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    Unless you are changing things, there can't be billions of chaos marines. There were nine traitor legions. Each legionis around 100 - 200 thousand strong. So, at most, there's two million of chaos space marines.
     
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  18. Darko

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    It's a bit odd that so few soldiers are capable of holding a galaxy sized territory together.

    I mean i know they do a pretty shitty job of it, but still that they manage to do it at all is just Mary Sueish to the extreme.

    Don't say the regular human soldiers do it. They're basically just meta shields at this point.
     
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  19. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    I meant billions of billions of intelligent beings. Though you're missing the post-heresy traitor chapters. The Red Corsairs are huge.
     
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  20. Vaermina

    Vaermina Versed in the lewd.

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    They can make more...
     
  21. Mquz

    Mquz Versed in the lewd.

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    They’re meat shields who can be trusted to be loyal and report to the marines, and can deal with pacified populations and petty crime. They don’t need to be more competent since they just need to fulfill the roles of a standard militia / police group, and can source a SWAT team when necessary.
     
  22. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    What? No, the Imperial Guard doesn't report to the Space Marines. In a given theatre, supreme command will usually go to the senior Chapter Master due to inter-branch seniority being determined by length of service, but that's unusual. The Imperial Guard uses soldiers who are individually far less dangerous than Marines, and uses a few million times as many along with better artillery and battle tanks.

    The Imperium isn't capable of fielding enough Marines to do the job the Guard does, and after the Horus Heresy doesn't particularly want to.

    [​IMG]
     
  23. Mquz

    Mquz Versed in the lewd.

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    Alright, I was under the mistaken impressions the Saxons were Roman. Turns out I was wrong. Thank you.
    Point still stands, with linguistic drift and comparing English to French / German according to your post. Also, Portland ponies weren’t isolated and are familiar with Middle East and Africa analogue countries, as well as Griffons, Dragons, and yaks. They weren’t an isolated country, and mass exoduses can often cause linguistic drift as well. While some of that may be explained by copying the Princess, she was still born hundreds of years post-exodus, meaning there should have been more of a change.
     
  24. Mquz

    Mquz Versed in the lewd.

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    I was thinking more of if something goes catastrophically wrong and they need a special forces team on site, due to, say, genestealer invasion or something. Nukes aren’t enough and an infantry will just help the invasion.
     
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  25. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    I'm not sure what sort of invasion you're trying to describe. Ciaphas Cain and a few guardsmen have dealt with genestealer cults on several occasions. A thousand Space Marines wouldn't do much against a tyranid ground force. If I remember correctly, the standard way for Space Marines to attack tyranids is boarding their ships before they reach their destination and wake up their crews.
     
  26. desolatedsabers

    desolatedsabers Getting sticky.

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    FFFUCKING GENESTEALERS!

    in a serious sense though, as weird as the story's gone i'm still enjoying it. there's enough material to feel enjoyable, and just enough so that i feel like i want more rather then getting annoyed by the shift. still curious where this is going though.
     
  27. Someguy Somewhere

    Someguy Somewhere The Critical Fumbler

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    The Imperial Guard has some level of rapid response forces and spec-ops units for dealing with situations that don't call for the wall of guns approach. The Stormtroopers (sorry....'Tempestus Scions' ) fill that, along with other units with specialties in specific types of warfare.

    There are whole Drop Regiments for paratrooper deployment behind enemy lines, there are Armored Fist Regiments for mobility based infantry with close tank support. Siege and Artillery Regiments for cracking dug in forces. All sorts of things. In general the IG will likely call on Navy Assets for air superiority or tactical orbital bombardment for things that they can't handle with brute force.

    They can make a request to the powers that be to get space marine support, but VERY seldomly do they integrate Astartes directly into operations as combined arms. Space Marines, unlike the Guard, seldom set up the level of supply lines or infrastructure for extended combat, as they're combat operations tend to be high intensity, short duration. The part that folks often forget about 40k Space Marines, is the 'Marine' aspect. They're ship based strike forces, rarely foot slogging when they can hop a Thunderhawk or Drop Pod to the front lines. They have an objective, they deploy rapidly, they engage, and then fall back.

    Space Marines do not Hold Ground. You give them an objective, and you stand back and let them do what they're built to do.
     
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  28. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    No, no, you were right the first time.
     
  29. Akshka

    Akshka Getting out there.

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    you really should they are fantastic
     
  30. Someguy Somewhere

    Someguy Somewhere The Critical Fumbler

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    I got off the plastic crack in 4th ed, so I missed out on the Tome of the Retconian, AKA Patentus Friendlius Renamian.

    Aeldar, Drukhari, Astra Militarum? Vlka Fenryka?!?

    Thank Malal I left when I did.
     
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