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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Discussion in 'Creative Writing' started by Mr Zoat, Jan 27, 2019.

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  1. Coda

    Coda Not too sore, are you?

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    The Danner formula has a genetic (or at least epigenetic) component. Equestrian ponies aren't anywhere CLOSE to humans.

    Grayven couldn't Awaken them either. They're not Earth life.

    Equality is a transitive relationship. (a = b) <=> (b = a). The set of integers is not equal to the set of real numbers, even though every integer is a real number.

    Could be, actually. Building the house doesn't automatically mean you're its owner -- indeed, MOST people who build houses are building them for OTHER people. And if you build a house for yourself on land you don't own, then you're a squatter, not a homeowner.
     
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  2. Darko

    Darko Versed in the lewd.

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    Wonder if renegade can manipulate the souls of other people who are not from Earth, or an Earth where the White Entity doesn't reside?
    Not a full Awakening, but just some soul modifications.
     
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  3. Chaoswind

    Chaoswind Lord of nonsense

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    I did not and considered them mostly a waste of time.


    Well said, emotional maturity has nothing to do with being an alicorn, same as enlightenment. They are at best, ways to TURN into one, but you can BE one without them and most certainly there are other ways to become one as well.
     
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  4. nobodez

    nobodez Bringer of Context

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    I would have used “⊊” instead, to indicate that it’s a proper subset, rather than the ambiguity of “⊂” which can either stand for subset OR proper subset, but otherwise, a good meme, gentlepony.
     
  5. Siskulous

    Siskulous Know what you're doing yet?

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    When is Grayven NOT a dick? I'm pretty sure he doesn't know how to be anything else.
     
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  6. WereDragon

    WereDragon Bookwyrm

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    When being a father.
     
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  7. Chaoswind

    Chaoswind Lord of nonsense

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    When he handles children, even shitty ones.

    Disclaimer: they have to BE children, looking like one isn't enough.
     
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  8. Darko

    Darko Versed in the lewd.

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    Wonder how Raul would be like around children?
    We know he doesn't have problem killing ones that are sufficiently evil, but what about if he tried to adopt any, or had them with Komandr?
    While renegade is a surprisingly good parent i don't think Raul and Kom should be allowed to raise children, not without Auntie Kori around at least.
    One is powered by rage and the other has... weeellll.....issues.
     
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  9. Idkusername

    Idkusername Not too sore, are you?

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    It doesn’t matter whether you explicitly mentioned Celestia or not, the conversation was about her. Putting Yoda and Dumbles at the end makes them seem like examples rather than the topic, which is what they appear to be on a second read.

    Plus, I don’t see a response to any of the pints I made.

    Oh, and btw, Dumbly wasn’t any kind of reasonable mentor for Harry, he is literally Gendo Ikari but friendlier.

    Except alicornisation isn’t a test now, is it? It’s simply a state of being. You can get there any number of ways, and as long as they don’t have drawbacks, they’re all equally valid.

    As for responsible use of power, I’d say sunset is quite qualified in the use of her power as an individual after Grayven’s lessons on being a responsible metahuman, since being responsible involves being aware of the consequences of your actions. Now, keep in mind my only exposure to MLP:FiM is this story and a crack fic I read a while back, but Celestia of all people does not seem to be doing so hot in that regard. As a ruler, she might be all sorts of awesome, but on the interpersonal level, she’s all kind’s of whack.
     
  10. AidanMorgan

    AidanMorgan Only Mostly Mad

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    Issues?

    Blackfire doesn't have issues, Blackfire has subscriptions.
     
  11. Ace Dreamer

    Ace Dreamer Questioning The Nature of our Realities

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    From the sounds of it, one of the most effective things Grayven could do in this setting is to set-up the PHS - Pony Health Service... And make quite sure it has an effective (free for all ponies) mental health aspect... (Which, the NHS arguably doesn't have.)

    As the various ponies who've been empowered, by their own work, or accident, frequently look to have mental health issues this would look to be a major public good, and, as an act of 'Friendship', should get support from Celestia, etc...

    In fact, anywhere there are super-powered beings this could be argued as being a smart move...
     
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  12. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    In Stygian's case it was purely a result of being physically attacked by his six closest friends. Until that happened, yes, he felt that he wasn't pulling his weight but he was working on fixing that it a rational and methodical way.
     
  13. Ace Dreamer

    Ace Dreamer Questioning The Nature of our Realities

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    Take a pony through the portal, so you get a human, Danner-ize, bring back. Study what changes have occurred to the pony (assuming that they remain improved)? If I recall right, the formulae worked on (Earth) lab rats and mice, as well as dogs, so being generally mammalian might be enough...
     
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  14. DrThoth

    DrThoth Not too sore, are you?

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    Have we seen Danner formula mixed with Venom Buster? Renegade couldn't use the former because he'd already Awakened before he discovered it (and I suppose he never thought to do a global ring-scan to locate other sources of the formula, which would have led to him finding Hugo Danner), and I think the same goes for Tawny/Michael, the only other Venom Buster-enhanced individual around.

    What would happen if Renegade had Dannered Circe before Awakening her? Awwakening enhances the most 'special' aspects of you, and I think that her magic would still rank higher in that regard than her physical strength/stamina. Or would her magic aptitude be increased at a slower rate because the Awakening would also be occupied with boosting her Danner-strength?
     
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  15. DAT_NOOB

    DAT_NOOB Accused of writing in a far away land

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    getting jacked it a state of being, using steroids to do it is cheating.
    I'm unfamiliar with MLP lore but I'd assume that people that aren't born alicorns or aren't happy-go-lucky types might get turned into monsters/evil. like Psykers in 40k if you aren't careful or covered in holy symbols you turn into a chaos spawn.
     
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  16. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    Nope. Flim and Flam and that earth pony who ran a resort were pretty bad and completely failed to turn into monsters.
     
  17. Aeess

    Aeess I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    The SI mentioned that Blockbuster does work very well with the Danner formula, I'd assume adding Venom would help too.

    Likely, yes to the second one, at least that's the reason Renegade gave for not using thr Danner formula on Green Arrow.
     
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  18. DAT_NOOB

    DAT_NOOB Accused of writing in a far away land

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    I meant for being a alicorn rather than being a pony.
     
  19. RichardWhereat

    RichardWhereat Aia airëa Fëanáro.

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    1. It absolutely does matter, because I was responding to someone talking about why Yoda is a bad teacher. So your response about something entirely different is just bad arguments.

    2. Since you refused to do me the respect of responding to what I was talking about, and changed the topic to Celestia, I didnt give you the respect of responding to what you were talking about.

    3. What an absolute load of shit. This doesn't even need refuting. It's been done often enough.
     
  20. TheMidnightRook

    TheMidnightRook Not too sore, are you?

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    None of those attempted to consume an energy field larger than their head though, so it's not exactly a fair comparison.
     
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  21. Idkusername

    Idkusername Not too sore, are you?

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    Except, doping has proven drawbacks such as health problems, etc. along with the fact that being an alicorn is in no way related to a competitive sport wherein using effort has value in an off itself.

    Literally nowhere has that been implied in this fic.

    1. Looking back I see that you were actually referring to Yoda. It’s my mistake. But that in no way invalidates my arguements.

    2. Right... an honest mistake = arguing in bad faith? Wtf

    3. What in hell... Dumbledore knew from the beginning that Harry would have to die, he explicitly put him with the Duddleys so that, and I’m paraphrasing here, wouldn’t develop a big head! He wanted to make 100% sure that Harry would accept his death at Voldemort’s hands. He looked for a backup plan for Harry in the Deathly Hallows, sure, but he would have gone through with his convoluted plan regardless. He only chose to reveal this after making sure that Harry and Voldy got a nice rivalry going. Just because he’s a manipulative bastard doesn’t make him evil. Do me the courtesy of being able to comprehend marginally complex character motivations.
     
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  22. RichardWhereat

    RichardWhereat Aia airëa Fëanáro.

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    Albus only started to suspect that Harry was a horcrux late in the game. He didn't even realise Voldie used Horcruxes until the second book. So, no.

    Also, Albus explicitly did not believe in prophecy.

    Do me the courtesy of actually reading the books and understanding the timeline.
     
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  23. Ace Dreamer

    Ace Dreamer Questioning The Nature of our Realities

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    Maybe I've missed this detail, but is Grayven due an "Arrived on Wilson" Pinkie Party?

    Or, is this a case of "ponies should be scene but not herd"? :)
     
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  24. DAT_NOOB

    DAT_NOOB Accused of writing in a far away land

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    Whoosh
    I didn't mention sports, I specifically said 'get jacked' in reference to an increase in size and muscle mass.
    You can take drugs that will make you stronger and bigger in an easy way which is why using them to increase size and strength is cheating. (for the purposes of this argument I did not refer to sports but for the cause of gaining muscle mass for its own sake)
    Now in relation to what sunset is doing she is using drugs magic to enhance her strength magical potential and change her form.
    Still cheating

    That's fair like I said I'm not familiar enough with the magic lore of MLP to know about this stuff
     
  25. desolatedsabers

    desolatedsabers Getting sticky.

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    i mean, you're kind of forgetting something. Steroids wear off. and also have addictive properties. Becoming an alicorn via a different method would still just give the same results as emotional enlightenment or whatever. so they'd still have to stay on top of their own mental state to not go wacko, same as normal ones, and would probably develop at around the same rate. it's not explicitly cheating but more "Well you did it this way, but i found another way that gives the same result." it's less cheating and more being pragmatic. if you can achieve the exact same results via a different method, then it's still just as viable as the other method. if it has drawbacks, then it's not.
     
  26. Lord Ernest

    Lord Ernest At the End...

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    Not sure if the analogy works or not, but to me it sounds like the "peak human condition" that Captain America and Batman have. Whatever they say, those "peak human conditions" are bullshit and sound more like Atlas superpower, but whatever, it's comic books. However Batman supposedly got his "peak human condition" training, while Captain America got his "peak human condition" with the Super Soldier Serum.

    Maybe the serum is cheating, I personally wouldn't call it so because developing the serum took time and effort, even if it wasn't Steve that made it and even if it wasn't the same level of time and effort that Bruce supposedly made to train himself. But at the end of the day both ended up with bullshit level of physical abilities.

    The Sword of Beowulf, in the YJ canon and in this fic, works for anybody that is pure of heart; even with its grotesque appearance I imagine that whomever designed the enchantment on that intended for it to be somebody like Captain Marvel, somebody with a good, pure heart. But the idiot of Harm still managed to make his heart pure, by killing his sister and going full edge-third-person-lord, so at the end of the day he managed to use the Sword as well!

    If the only acceptable way to become an Alicorn was through whatever friendship enlightenment bullshit, then it sounds to me as if Cadance (think that's her name?) cheated as well as her baby Alicorn or they shouldn't be Alicorns at all, unless it gets proven that they went through the same friendship enlightenment bullshit. If not, then Alicornism is just an ascension/transformation, and all the study and hard work that Sunset invested in finding a way to get that ascension is as valid as, I don't know, being born an Alicorn or whatever.
     
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  27. Siskulous

    Siskulous Know what you're doing yet?

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    Touche.

    Somehow I suspect Pinkie would rather throw him a going away party.
     
  28. Threadmarks: Equestrian Guise (part 14)
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    Equestria
    Afternoon


    Twilight turns her head-. Whaw pony necks are flexible. Turns her head back to glare at me.

    "And you weren't going to introduce us?"

    "Well-."

    Princess Cadance flaps her wings and passes neatly over Twilight before landing just inside the room. "Hello, I'm-."

    "Mi. Amore."

    Cadance spots Sunset, her eyes widening and her body tensing.

    "Cadenza."

    Twilight pivots on the spot at the sound of discord, and goes into friending mode. "Sunset was just telling me that you two knew each other?"

    Sunset grits her teeth for a moment. "Yes. Yes we did."

    Cadance cringes. "I… Didn't know you were back?"

    "Clearly."

    Cadance backs up slightly and misjudges the angle, her haunches hitting the wall rather than going back through the door. As Sunset gets closer Cadance falls onto her haunches with a nervous grimace of a smile on her face, Sunset gritting her teeth and grinding them in what would be a bad idea for a human. But I guess it's fine for equine teeth? Or maybe becoming an alicorn fixes dental issues?

    "M'm rryeh."

    Cadance blinks. "Ah..? Pardon?"

    "I'm-. Sorry."

    Sunset breathes heavily, the glare of her eyes not quite matching her words. Though it does match their tone.

    "You're… Sorry?"

    The teeth grit again. "Yes. I'm.. sorry for how I treated you when we were living together."

    "Oh, that's alri-."

    Sunset raises her right forehoof. "No. No. No it's not."

    "Okay?"

    Sunset lowers her hoof. "I was-." She takes a look at Cadance's face and sags slightly. "And I'm scaring you again. And this time I'm not even trying to." She shakes her head and backs up a little in the hope that Cadance will feel secure enough to stand. When that doesn't work she shakes her head sadly and trudges back to the blackboard.

    "Cadance?" Twilight looks curiously at her former foalsitter. "You.. knew Sunset Shimmer? You never mentioned her?"

    "I… No. Um. Yes. She was living at the palace when Princess Celestia first brought me here. I didn't-."

    "It's fine." Sunset turns around dejectedly. "Magic is my special talent, the same as yours. I doubt Cadenza wanted you to turn out like I did."

    "Why? What happened between you two?"

    "I wanted to learn magic. Celestia wanted me to learn civics. We argued, and Celestia -in her wisdom- decided that the best way to convince me she was right was to show me my future in Starswirl's mirror. I saw myself as a powerful alicorn."

    "So you were jealous? You thought Cadance was trying to take your place?"

    Sunset shakes her head. "Cadenza wasn't living in the palace at that point. But after that I spent all my time studying alicorns, trying to work out how the transformation worked... I spent months on that and didn't find anything. I bugged Celestia to tell me how it worked and got nowhere. In the end I started to think that I'd-" She glances at the blackboard again with a rueful smile. "-need to work it out from scratch all by myself. Which was.. fine. I like doing magical experiments."

    "And then Cadenza happened."

    Twilight frowns. "What do you mean 'happened'?"

    With Sunset a safe distance away, Cadance gets back to her hooves. "I ascended. I didn't plan-."

    "Oh, I know you didn't. I finally worked out how you did it, and if you never want to sleep again I'll show you my calculations for what would have happened if you'd been standing an inch to the left when the amulet exploded."

    Twilight looks from Cadance to Sunset. "So you were.. envious?"

    "A little. But when I met her she was so clearly clueless-" Twilight frowns a little. "-that it didn't really last. I just wanted her to give me as much information about what happened as she could so I could add a first hoof account to my data. And she wouldn't."

    "Oh." Twilight looks at Cadance. "Why.. not..?"

    "Because-."

    "Because Celestia told her not to." Sunset shakes her head. "I can't believe I didn't work it out sooner."

    "Aunt Celestia was worried about you! You were becoming obsessed! Everything was about becoming an alicorn!"

    "And it didn't stop just because you were withholding information from me!" Sunset gives a humourless chuckle. "The funny thing is, telling what happened probably wouldn't have helped me all that much. All it would have done is made me stop hating you for obstructing me." She sags. "Because I couldn't bring myself to hate the mare actually responsible." She tosses her mane and straightens up a little. "So, yeah, I'm sorry for all the things I did to try and make you tell me. And now I'm putting the blame firmly where it belongs."

    Twilights right ear twitches in a way which probably conveys all sorts of meaning to other ponies. "So… You've realised that your obsessive behaviour was self-destructive and you've come to apologise to everypony you offended and repair your old friendships?"

    "No. I've come to prove that I was right all along."

    Twilight frowns. "Ah-?"

    "And that Celestia was wrong."

    Twilight gasps in absolute horror!

    I nod. "Yeah, I just got back from talking to Celestia. You… Kind of lost your temper, there."

    "I know, I know." She sighs. "She just did it again!"

    "I think she was trying to be nice."

    "How is she this bad at it?!"

    "A thousand years of ponies not wanting to get sent to the moon?" Cadance stares at me, her eyes wide. "Too soon?"

    "Nopony's afraid of Aunt Celestia! I'm sure-" She turns her head towards Sunset. "-that she didn't mean whatever it was that made you so angry."

    "Is it better that she's massively condescending by accident?"

    Cadance starts to answer, hesitates to consider the question, then nods confidently. "Yes, it is. Because it means that she didn't do it deliberately to drive you away, and the fact that she's still reaching out to you shows that she really does want to improve your relationship." She takes a hesitant step towards Sunset. "The question is, do you?"

    "I…" Sunset slumps. "Yes? I just-. I've spent a lot of time thinking about why I left, and I-. I know I could have handled it better. But so could she! I need her to.. acknowledge that, or something. And not just a generic 'I'm sorry you feel that way' thing, I need her to actually get what she did wrong." She huffs. "Maybe I'll go talk to her again before I ascend. But right now I just want-. Twilight, could you get on the-?"

    "Celestia was wrong?!"
     
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    TheMidnightRook Not too sore, are you?

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    "This video is no longer available because the youtube account associated with it has closed."
     
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    Prognostic Hannya Making the rounds.

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