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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Discussion in 'Creative Writing' started by Mr Zoat, Jan 27, 2019.

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  1. Cuchulin

    Cuchulin I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    Like I said, all I know about the guy comes from a fanfic an the wiki. He seems to have started out as a nice guy but became more like Glory over time even as Glory became more human.
     
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  2. Vaermina

    Vaermina Versed in the lewd.

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    Was it a Divine weapon with God power in it used while she was inside a Glory inhibiting field?

    If not, then Zoat nerfed her, because that's what it actually takes to harm Glory.
     
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    Breadnaught Versed in the lewd.

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    Oh yeah, I forgot that was a thing.

    Then I guess the Ring ate the demonic spirit but continued operating the body with a Paul-emulation program of sorts.
     
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  4. Chojin Patriarch

    Chojin Patriarch Veteran Lurker, Rookie Proofreader

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    Truth, Raul, truth! Seriously, from what I can see, she was exiled because she was an obnoxious bitch...

    So, confirmed that Oz is a werewolf? Or is that one of those 'everyone knows that' things I missed?

    Ah, we get to see Raul go all out, eh? Clean-up on Elm Street (or whatever road this is) is about to be needed.

    Ooh, he pulled a Seras. Classic 'arm made of blood' move. Albeit napalm-blood...

    And Overgirl leaps in to back him up. Aw, I wanted to see him rip and tear like Glory had Huge Guts and he was Doomguy...

    Good to see he can maintain enough focus to remember that...

    That and the fun of beating down motherfuckers with your sweetheart's help. Especially if you're beating one MF with another MF.

    Oh, hey, he can heal. He just had to get angry enough at it!:D

    Well, plan 'orbital insertion' sounds good. Unless she can fart her way back to Earth, she's screwed.

    Unless something exotic like magic interferes.

    Ah, he hasn't cottoned on that this is not the usual Supergirl...

    Sounds like she's getting annoyed.

    See, magic broke the deadlock. Sound slike it fizzled a bit though. Overgirl's mad enough a bit of SAN damage didn't slow her down...

    OL not really bothering to put any effort in, is he? I guess he can see Raul and Overgirl have things in hand.

    Ah, and here comes Zaul.

    Well, Raul, looks like you found your guy. Now what?

    Good move, given what you know of Black Lanterns...

    Wait for it...

    Worst case, Raul and OL can fry him in classic War of Light style, with a double-light combo... But let's put that on the back-burner, eh?

    Hoo boy. Are they going to be second-guessing Zaul's action the whole time or what?

    Yes, kind of have to respect that. Black Lanterns have hax powers as long as it's death-related.

    Hush, you. The people are talking.

    I say again, this Paul's life is suck incarnate... Even Anti-Green hasn't got it this bad...

    Yeah, some of them have it in easy mode.

    And where would that be? The graveyard?

    Huh. So, technically, he's Vaul-for-vampire, not Zaul-for-zombie. Wonder what divine blood will do for him, if anything?

    So, Black Lantern Paul is actually a Vampire? I think I'll stick with Zaul for him, though. Vaul is an asshole of an Eldar God... And barring any further misadventures, they can move on back to the Dream-ruby world in the next chapter or two.

    ...without a care save for the convenience...
    Capitalise these?
     
  5. Agent Orange

    Agent Orange Not too sore, are you?

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    Red ring AI is ... significantly less helpful than any other rings. It's not really aimed towards repair, healing or anything not immediately offence related and the only kind of deep scan it does it of destructive kind. That and his constant anger makes him less than patient or inclined to ask for help.
     
  6. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    Thank you, corrected.
    That's a style choice.
    Thank you, corrected.
    I don't have a lot of good to say about that film, but I liked how they portrayed those fights as well.
     
  7. Vaermina

    Vaermina Versed in the lewd.

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    You do realize that Glory was an immortal dimension ruling Goddess? o_O
     
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  8. Shotiegun11

    Shotiegun11 Getting sticky.

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    Or a "Divine weapon with God power in it used while she was inside a Glory inhibiting field" was the only way to kill her with stuff in the Buffyverse.

    A Black Power Ring is not from the Buffyverse. Black Power Rings may do some Gae Bulg causality shifting bullshit through Glory's own emotions to be able to rip out and consume her heart.
     
  9. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    Thank you, corrected.
     
  10. Darko

    Darko Versed in the lewd.

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    Red rings are VERY good at breaking things, but in everything else... not so much.
    Their most unique quality seems to be acid spit.
    Still it is nice to know that Raul can reattach limbs if they are removed.

    Power Rings are extremely powerful tools that can allow mortals to battle gods and win if used properly.

    Even if his ring didn't have that big a charge maybe the energy it gives of is harmful to someone like Glory, not because it is more powerful than her, but because something about it just hurts her on a deep level.

    Also she may no be dead as Zaul just ripped out her heart while she was distracted, she could probably survive that if the ring doesn't hurt her on a fundamental level
     
  11. BlueMangoAdea

    BlueMangoAdea Alive. For now.

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    If so, I wonder if Zaul could do it again? Keep ripping her hearts out for PROFIT!!!
     
  12. Darko

    Darko Versed in the lewd.

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    There was this fic on SB by Islandhopper featuring a Red Lantern SI who rips out his own heart and places it in a lantern to recharge his ring.

    Maybe Zaul can do something like that with Glory, or any other high tier evil entity.
     
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  13. Vaermina

    Vaermina Versed in the lewd.

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    Shitty DC First World Gods, which are nothing like the beings in Buffy that go around creating and ruling entire dimensions.

    Which would be creating a weakness which didn't previously exist.

    IE nerfing her.
     
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  14. Queshire

    Queshire Not too sore, are you?

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    Shall we count the number of dimensional lords regularly faced and defeated by superheroes in comics? I know that Doctor Strange somewhat specializes in them, but I'm sure DC must have a few of their own.
     
  15. Darko

    Darko Versed in the lewd.

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    Hades in the comics and the animated show is the ruler of the Underworld and has fought the League, or a lone hero, and lost several times

    The First of the Fallen, around who hell formed, was beat by a succubus and a chain smoking street magician.

    Lucifer, who is capable of making suns, has been beat by beings that are much weaker than him.

    Dream of the Endless was trapped by humans, twice, once in the original comics and in the 2018 issues of The Dreaming
    The ring has a connection to Nekron, who is a powerful cosmic being, possibly more powerful than the other emotional entities, like the Ophidian, who when merging with Paul was able to casually move the Moon.
     
  16. desolatedsabers

    desolatedsabers Getting sticky.

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    Plus a black ring is the personification of the silence of death, which can affect godly beings. Even if it doesn't kill her, making a god experience mortality for a split second can rupture metaphysical bonds quick enough to deal with them until they have a new host.
     
  17. Someguy Somewhere

    Someguy Somewhere The Critical Fumbler

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    Shao Kahn is an immortal dimension ruling God....still gets bicycle kicked to death by a screaming shaolin monk half the time.

    And he was giving top billing with Darkseid when they went to make a video game crossing over with DC.

    Glory's titles and off screen accomplishments don't mean much because there is no context for any of it. Any one can claim Godhood until someone forces them to back it up.

    I'm rusty on my Buffy lore, but Glory's been hit with Slayer Levels of super strength and laughed it off, been hit with the odd motor vehicle or construction equipment and was slowed down. Been hit with a Troll hammer waved around by a Slayer and got a bit bloodied. Impressive resistance for street level superheros, but by energy output alone not actually that impressive compared to say....the explosives used to blow up the Mayor in his demon form. Or even that rocket launcher used on whatisface.

    The fact that she face tanked a kryptonian that doesn't have problems killing puny humans is far more impressive, because before that I'd actually have put money on OL's Railguns, or force equivalent to at least slowing her down.

    As for exotic defenses vs black lantern ring, closest comparison I can think of would be Wonder Woman during that period. She's a demigoddess on DC's powerscale and the ring took her for a ride despite any resistance she had, because she'd physically died before. It took a full goddess and a violet power ring, as well as a lot of struggle to get the ring off her again.
     
  18. Agent Orange

    Agent Orange Not too sore, are you?

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    That and, in BtvS, demon-possessed mortal bodies seem to be generally much more resistant to blunt force trauma and yet paradoxically made of wet tissue paper in the area surrounding the heart. That's why even muggles can just sink in 'stakes' into otherwise superhumanly though creatures of the night.
     
  19. Yog

    Yog Know what you're doing yet?

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    Well, damn. Being a vampire... On one hand - he didn't have a soul, so I'm not sure how that would work. On another, he's not really Paul, he's a demon born from Paul. I'm guessing that the lack of homicidal urges is from that "didn't have a soul when vampirized" part.

    Orange's ensouling would be detrimental to him, as the local energies on Hellmouth are of a bad kind.

    I'm guessing they could do elemental conversion with the violet ring? Or do some grafts from an angel?

    I am also very surprised that Glorificus could stand up to a Kryptonian. Yes, a hybrid, but still. Also that her heart provided so little a charge.
     
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    BlueMangoAdea Alive. For now.

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  21. Agent Orange

    Agent Orange Not too sore, are you?

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    Unless I misunderstood that WoZ snippet way back, he's not really a demon. He just has a body animated via demon juju (and consequently needs to drink blood the same way I need coffee to function). The blood demon that was supposed to take up residence got nommed by the ring. He never needed a soul (or substitute) to be a person. Unlike locals.
     
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  22. Darko

    Darko Versed in the lewd.

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    In the show the demon replaces the human when a vamp bites them, but I think this version of Paul was bit by a vamp, but the ring destroyed the demon that tried to inhabit him.

    When the SI went to Hell Satanus specifically planned for that and had some of Mammon's power leaking the realm, so maybe the paragon won't be affected this time.

    Glory's heart provided so low a charge because he just took the emotion, not the power she wielded.
     
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    BlueMangoAdea Alive. For now.

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    Which is kinda strange, because this WOZ post says that the blood demon that tried to inhabit Zaul got nommed by the ring for 2% charge. I wonder why Glory's charge is so low.
     
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  24. Darko

    Darko Versed in the lewd.

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    It probably just took the emotional energy and not the magical energy.
     
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  25. Gantradies

    Gantradies Not too sore, are you?

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    it also warrants mention that whatever physical and arcane Defenses Glory had,they -could not- have been designed for this specific attack vector,given that it was entirely alien to the section of the multiverse the buffyverse occupies (multiple universi/sub-dimensions, from memory)- and it -wasn't- a "normal" magical attack- late-stage clarktech isnt really a thing in this setting- it essentially read as the black ring's attack simply going right through her magical defenses-
    like someone getting knifed right through a ballistic vest that didnt have stab protection, in essence...
     
  26. nick012000

    nick012000 Experienced.

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    Yes. That's literally what Black Lantern Rings are: the extensions of Nekron, the personification of "Death as Final Enemy". That's part of why they were going around casually killing the likes of Superman and the Flash. Killing some junior league goddess is well within their powers, as long as she had previously died and come back to life - and IIRC that's why she was possessing the guy to begin with.
     
  27. Senevri

    Senevri Getting sticky.

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    It's a meaningless distinction for now, and thinking they're original is probably better for their mental health. They could also be split from an original Paul and they should be aware they might be fiction, but none of them spend much screen time pondering on that.
     
  28. Agent Orange

    Agent Orange Not too sore, are you?

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    You'd think that acknowledging your state of being would be an advantage in this situation? How do you make any use of your genre savvynes if you keep ignoring it and pretending that story tropes aren't as strong or stronger than local laws of physics?
     
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  29. Darko

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    I think it has to do with the fact that most, or at least some, story tropes don't really work.

    One comic trope is that every single criminal in Gotham goes to Arkham Asylum, but in this story Zoat said that only the truly insane go there, and not people like the Penguin because they are not insane.
    Mr Freeze was sent there not because he was insane, but because it had the equipment it needed to help him with his condition
     
  30. SirKaid

    SirKaid Know what you're doing yet?

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    That's what it takes for a street level superhero and her support staff to kill her, not what it takes for a planet level superhero using a galactic level supervillain's tool to kill her.

    Your argument is the same as saying that because Green Arrow would require kryptonite to kill Superman, so too would Wonder Woman. Just like how Wonder Woman can use enough raw force to make it past Superman's physical resistance, Black Lantern Paul can put out enough force to kill Glory.

    So fucking what? That has absolutely no bearing on Glory's combat feats.
     
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