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General World of Darkness Discussion Thread QQ Edition

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Repentant_Dragos said:
Is this viable? Assume that the Prince of 100,000 Leaves is as powerful as Gaia (Nasuverse).
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It is viable, but not in a way you think. While technically Prince is only rank 8 XD, it is too abstract to fight in any conventional sense. What it would be doing is infecting Fate timeline, generating anomalies and lostbelts.
Also, the level of grossness and general horror would be much higher then usual Fate.
 
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As a question when it comes to VTR. Looking at the rules I have a point when I look at Praestantia which is in the VII book and have my brain hurt looking at it as in my head I look at that and go "Wait does this stack with Celerity" before then looking at the rules and being "Wait, does Celerity add to dex rolls or just defense, initiative, speed?" Because, well, I have that moment of going "They wouldn't make something that broken" before remembering it is white wolf. Especially when the Akhud have Celerity in clan as well.

Plus it lets you go back again and not do what you would have otherwise done by using blood to have the action be a vision instead so you can try something else
 
shadowdice said:
As a question when it comes to VTR. Looking at the rules I have a point when I look at Praestantia which is in the VII book and have my brain hurt looking at it as in my head I look at that and go "Wait does this stack with Celerity" before then looking at the rules and being "Wait, does Celerity add to dex rolls or just defense, initiative, speed?" Because, well, I have that moment of going "They wouldn't make something that broken" before remembering it is white wolf. Especially when the Akhud have Celerity in clan as well.

Plus it lets you go back again and not do what you would have otherwise done by using blood to have the action be a vision instead so you can try something else
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Reminds me of the broken Temporis/Celerity combos. And I am not talking about stacking extra actions, that's just cliche baby use.
It happens when you realize nothing stops you from Celerity and Temporis at the same time. (Hell, True Brujah can have their own special True Celerity* alongside Temporis)

You see, you can't stack extra actions from Celerity and Temporis because game balance said so. But Celerity gives you +Celerity to all Dexterity pools as long as you aren't actively using them for Extra Actions. These extra passive bonuses was balanced around losing them if you use Extra Actions.
Meaning you can get your Extra Actions from Temporis but also have the passive Dexterity bonus from Celerity. Lastly, technically nothing but ST is stopping you from having Temporis, True Celerity and Celerity at the same time. Which leads to you having a +10 to all Dexterity pools from Celerity and True Celerity and extra actions from Temporis.

This lore wise even makes sense. Normal Celerity speeds you up physically. True Celerity slows down time around you. Temporis literally gives you extra time. Combine all of that and you will have the fastest vampire alive.

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LeftWaiting said:
VII is the "brokenly powerful NPC-only splatbook" IIRC, so it would make sense for it to be the more powerful interpretation.
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rereading VTR's rules. The potence and fortitude equivalents add dice to relevant skills meanwhile Celerity...just doesn't. It raises the defense roll and gives penalties to firearms attacks if you would be denied a defense roll. Praestantia effectively acts as celerity did in previous editions when it comes to raising dex rolls, while also no being allowed to use it for non stealth non combat maneuvers unlike VTM Celerity. The Takebacks ability seems to be...an attempt at balancing it for what was taken away and fact that you need to raise the celerity skill for the speed aspect.

But it also ADDS to defense as well as celerity so you still end up with BROKENLY POWERFUL dodge tank.
Maragas said:
Reminds me of the broken Temporis/Celerity combos. And I am not talking about stacking extra actions, that's just cliche baby use.
It happens when you realize nothing stops you from Celerity and Temporis at the same time. (Hell, True Brujah can have their own special True Celerity* alongside Temporis)

You see, you can't stack extra actions from Celerity and Temporis because game balance said so. But Celerity gives you +Celerity to all Dexterity pools as long as you aren't actively using them for Extra Actions. These extra passive bonuses was balanced around losing them if you use Extra Actions.
Meaning you can get your Extra Actions from Temporis but also have the passive Dexterity bonus from Celerity. Lastly, technically nothing but ST is stopping you from having Temporis, True Celerity and Celerity at the same time. Which leads to you having a +10 to all Dexterity pools from Celerity and True Celerity and extra actions from Temporis.

This lore wise even makes sense. Normal Celerity speeds you up physically. True Celerity slows down time around you. Temporis literally gives you extra time. Combine all of that and you will have the fastest vampire alive.

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I had thought there was a rule that you can't have celerity and true celerity at the same time.

I have however, gamed things such as Caitiff being able to learn True Celerity at their usual cost to learn disciplines without that merit.
 
shadowdice said:
I had thought there was a rule that you can't have celerity and true celerity at the same time.

I have however, gamed things such as Caitiff being able to learn True Celerity at their usual cost to learn disciplines without that merit.
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There is a rule in Revised Storyteller's Handbook about how you can't have any Celerity at all alongside Temporis but that's optional. (They really, really wanted to nerf Temporis even more.)
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Plus, even if you use that rule, V20's True Celerity is an exception so you can still have your extra actions and Dexterity bonus. Just not as much as you could have with both Celerity and True Celerity.
 
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