With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

So the Watsonian explanation is: it depends on the Universe it takes place in. In this case, nothing we know about power rings outside of Young Justice necessarily applies. While in one multiverse they might have a specific limit of power, in another it might be completely different. Basically, even if they’re sometimes the greatest weapon in the universe, doesn’t mean they always are. They have different emotional entities (if any) and different built-in limiters.

 

I agree with most of that, except for the "Watsonian" part. There isn't a in-universe explanation because there isn't a "universe". DC are not even consistent enough to have any sort of meta-universe for all of their fiction (some, yes, but by far not all), so you can't even speak in terms of "in the overarching multiverse covering all of the installements green lanterns appear in...".

You have to explain it in reference to the real world. "Watsonian" and "Doyalist" distinctions don't even begin to apply.

 

ah interdepartmental conflict.

I love a good bit of office drama ^_^

 

Hm... seems like the best practical thing is to include an automatic off switch in the effigy corps, so that they CAN’T go crazy and cause excess collateral damage without permission. Other planets have weapons of that scale, so just having them shouldn’t be a problem.

 

The problem seems to be not that the Controllers can't restrain their creations; it seems to be that the plurality, or even majority, don't particularly care to. Jevek, for instance, seems to think that Sun Eaters were a great idea whose time has now come as the Guardians can no longer forcefully object to their existence.

Welcome to blue-orange morality.

 

It's very odd, since they call themselves 'Controllers,' that so many of them seem to have so little interest in control (or seem to have contradictory degrees of interest in control).

 

They care about exerting control across the universe. They don't particularly care about controlling individuals.

 

Nice update.

It looks like effigy actually has a interest in learning to be better. I did NOT expect that at all and am now very interested in what happens with his character as well as the internal divisions within the controllers.

Great job.

 

Sit on it, John. The Controllers owe you nothing. Politeness is the strategy of the day here, certainly the only one that will get results.

 

Would 'whose' fit better here? Otherwise it's 'who has brain' or 'who is brain'. "Spock's Brain" flashback...

Spoiler: Commentary spoilered for length

Oh, sure, it sounds logical when you say it like that, but...

...Then you do this. Some guidance, perhaps?

Actually, taken over the whole of our history, I would say that it is Jevek's attitude that is the more usual.
(Unsure here).

I can feel the facepalm building already...

Ugh, smug superior-acting jackass.

The Guardians are colossal dicks who have been mainlining the Light of Stubbornness for a couple of million years...

"The Guardians are less numerous now than they were...

Even the new guy thinks that sounds bad...

Oh, that makes it soooo much better... And you notice the Controller isn't talking about Mister van Wyck as a person, but as a weapon? That's.. significant.

"Killing them ensures that they are defeated."

Well, he is a (former) Marine, isn't he? Of course the soldier understands the benefit of protective gear.

Boy, Jevek needs a slap upside the head. If you keep making super-villian superweapons like this, of course people are gonna treat you like a super-villian! He will need watching...

 

Odds that Manchester Black is going to get recruited for the Effigy Corps?

 

Wow. It's like that Controller never learned.How is giving people Lantern-level powers without an off-switch in the form of a remote controlled ring in any way an acceptable level of risk? After everything that already happened?

 

Thank you, corrected.

 

Who says he doesn't have an off switch?

 

Do the rings actually have off switches?

 

hahaha this is the guy from Mandated!
Yep! There is no way this will blow up in his face

 

You know, one of the main issues here, is that some of these controllers don’t get the benefit of “soft” power - (as I understand it) building a reputation, and becoming valuable as an economic / political force, as opposed to pure displays of force (hard power). While there are certain real life politicians who don’t get this either, they are some of the ones people get most angry about.

 

Congratulations, I fell into your cunning trap of you proving me right.

You somehow failed to comprehend that I did read the comic book when I quoted the comic and told you what page was relevant.

As for the comic itself-

Alan chose the planet in advance.

The wooden ants focused on Alan.

Not a single wooden ant was shown to attack Hal.

And Hal wasn't even at the campsite when they were attacked.

So your theory that requires that Alan took them to a planet with wooden ants, which Hal attacked, which somehow resulted in the ants ignoring Hal completely while traveling en masse to target Alan, while Hal was following them to the campsite, yeah, how about a theory that actually makes sense?

You know, like Hal used the decades long established power of a green lantern to manipulate matter, just off the top of my head.

In the comics, the Controllers are called the Controllers because they have telepathic mind control powers, mind control is their idea of soft power.

Which is why I've been amused by Paul seeking to ally with them from the first time it's been mentioned, DC presents the Controllers as the douchebags that make the Guardians look like a bunch of zen stoners.

 

They should have at least three of them each from a different source, assuming Zoat didn't decide to retcon them out to make his stories Lantern Rings more powerful.

 

Technically, no. This version never did the things which led to the other version becoming the Time Trapper.

 

Yeah, but unless those switches apply to any ring, and not just green lantern rings, they might not have been built into the latest batch of rings, or Paul’s ring. The Ophidian could probably stop sending energy to the rings, but there’s little direct control there from the Controller’s perspective. They could have built in an off switch when they were made, but again, unless they’re built somehow into the very basic technology of the rings, these aren’t the canonical orange rings, or even the green ones.

 

Would you two just make out and get it over with? Jesus.

E: Also this is my first post apparently? Huh. The power of lurker compels you!

 

The first two, IE Volthoom and Krona's, should for sure since they are based on the Rings technological architecture instead of it's software.

Moral of the story, don't crib your designs from other people's tech.

 

Arguing with Vaermina is a pass time, you have to indulge his madness every so often to fight against his "interpretations" in regards to DC canon otherwise his head gets way too big.

Anyways welcome to the thread.

 

John is a Marine powered by incredible will. They don't exactly drill those guys to be incredibly flexible.

 

He's a space cop who's had to meet many different alien societies, and many different alien people. If he were that inflexible, he wouldn't last. Especially talking to people who might as well be Gods.

The Controllers are certainly older than any earth gods.

 

Eh, debatable. At best they're as old as the universe and that's only a little more than a day and a half for Brahma.

 

This is MY goddamn stapler, and for the love of Santa you WILL stop using my post-it notes.

 

Where does it say that in DC? Because this seems to put the age of the gods at about 35,000 years old.

https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/Godwave
https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/Old_Gods