With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

We can always hope it does happen.

 

I'm not sure if this is just a poetic indicator of Melmoth's mindset, or a more concrete indication of the possible origins of the Sheeda (which I guess we'll find out in the upcoming Renegade episode). I might reread that episode where the above spoiler first shows up.

 

In Seven Soldiers, Melmoth was described as being 'The Scavenger King' before the time travellers arrived. He had very little, then was shown so very much.

 

So poetic indicator, then.

 

You could almost call him... avaricious. How fortuitous he met Pavlos.

 

So he doesn't have to waste energy blasting things when assimilation can destroy them for less cost.

 

Grundygod... why do I have a feeling that is nothing more than the Chutulu punching version of Solomon Grundy?

 

can someone explain what a grundygod is?

 

I'm assuming it's some kind of hyper powerful grundyman.

Maybe a New God grundyman.

 

Yes, and a Trommite pirate was able to take on LEGION, despite them having Mon-El and Captain Comet on the team.

It's hard to fight someone who can turn your bones into spaghetti, your blood to acid, or your skin into a prison of stone.

The pirate even did that defensively- If someone punched him, he'd transmute the fists into something soft so he was essentially being pelted with a big marshmallow.

The Trommites were too powerful to live in Legion of Superheroes, and that's a setting with at least one planet of people with Superman's powers.

 

Which basically means Solomon Grundy.

Though, I am betting Zoat won't include the energy absorbing ability since that would let him win against Paul.

 

Hey so something of a diversion here but back when paul was in... earth 12 I think, the evil justice lord one where the visited the zatara families party, there was a mention of other parts of the family having variations of the speak backwards casting right?

Some pretty strong and some weak or impractical but how canonical is that idea? Of different parts of the family having their own ways to cast? Was it completely original stuff or was it based on some relations of rhsies from the comics?

 

What happened to renegade Klarion/Mordru is the most approximate example of what would happen to Melmo, he would reincarnate as a normal human on the surface of this planet IE on the surface of a developing death world. His knowledge of magic wouldn't be entirely useless, but his oomph would be significantly lower.

However, since Paul has no sword of the fallen, the mental exercise is academic at best.

 

The Zatara spellcasting is something completely different in DC canon.

In DC canon, the Zataras use logomancy, a school of magic created by Leonardo Da Vinci, who the Zataras are descendants from. It's one thing, if a logomancer is limited (For example, cousin Zachary can't affect human beings), it's an individual limit of an individual's energy and/or expertise, just like any other spellcaster.

From what Zoat has said, he's treating the Zataras as magical metahumans. Which means the Zataras who can only manage illusions, if memory serves, are that way because they inherited an inferior talent.

Which is why Paul bugs the Atlanteans for magic despite their magic being far far far less impressive than the Zatara's.

 

Yup! The Zatara's magic operates like Super powers, they mostly learn how to use their innate ability but not how to do magic, how it works or or things like that.

 

Thank you both for that, was struggling to remember and wasnt sure how close to canon the family was.

It's goodto know my memory wasnt far off, Zachery is a very good example as I could actually fine more about him online. Thanks again.

 

Oh and to be fair, magical metahumans are totally a thing in DC canon, the Zataras just aren't an example.

Black Alice, Misfit, Nightshade, Blue Beetle even dealt with a street gang of magical metahumans in El Paso called the Posse, and his girlfriend's aunt basically forming Auntie's School for the Magically Gifted, because the deaths of the Lords of Order and Chaos awakened a lot of dormant bloodlines.

So a lot of people whose families had effectively been muggles for untold generations just woke up one day and boom, they're strong and tough like Hercules, or they're as fast as the wind, or they can read minds or see the future, etc, etc.

 

so zoat why hasn't paul gotten more personal equipment in a long time? What with having an actual database and all? That and magic equipment. It hasn't really changed in what two seasons?

Also been rereading thanks for writing on a daily basis for so long.

 

Mordru and Klarion were also arcane beings while Melmoth may just be a powerful magic user, but not necessarily made of magic like the other two.

Still at this point were just speculating on what the Sword can do.

The Zataras can do other things besides illusions in this story, they've been shown as doing them multiple times.

Paul also goes to the Atlanteans for magic advice due to the fact that they're a magically advanced civilisation.

They have hundreds of different specialists in various fields of magic, advanced knowledge of how magic works, magical equipment etc.

The Zataras may on average be more powerful casters than the Atlanteans, but that doesn't mean they are equally skilled in all fields of magic, or that they understand the theory behind magic, or that they have the magical equipment.

The Atlanteans also outnumber the Zataras.

From what Zatanna said during the - 14 episode her family may not be as into magic as their counterparts in Earth - 14.

So if Paul chose to just deal with them for his magical needs he would be able to deal with just three people, Zatanna, Giovanni, Zachary, compared to the thousands of Atlanteans.

The Zataras wouldn't have the time, knowledge or resources to deal with the various magical things OL has brought to the attention of the Atlanteans.

 

The fact that this is orange instead of red or yellow says volumes about Canis.

 

Well fuck. This means that you can't call the Orange lantern entity either, sense ophirion counts as outside help.

I understand that whenever he's in a position of power he tends to de-escalate instead of doing awesome stuff, but I still find it frustrating that the only stories we have left are ones where he's basically the underdog despite being more prepared and better well armored than almost anyone else in the area.

It's one of those cases where if he was properly prepared the story would instantly end and no one would write it down I guess.

 

It didn't take long for putting his rings in his body to backfire.

 

maybe 'that I can feel'

maybe 'forward'

 

Is the control sigil outside influence?

 

No, I think both of those are fine.

 

Oh, a cutscene fight! What. A. Shock. Shock I say! This is why you try to assimilate first instead of inexplicably waiting for the bullshit-tier miniboss to stand up and get ready (not that it would've worked because cutscene nerf).

 

He's almost always prepared - this is a bad matchup....so, one could say, this is a Naval Battlecruiser v. Godzilla issue.

Naval Battlecruiser beats everything around it, in its weight-class, nearby on land, and can only be contested with specialized craft or items. NB vs most shit - win to NB

NB vs King of Monsters, amphibious, dexterous-in-water, outmassing it, and having a ranged attack...

Bad matchup.

 

Anyone else think that the Source could be unmaking that control rune? There’s got to be some consequences to this setup that will work against Melmoth. So what is the weak link in Grundy magic that could be subverted with Paul’s remaining tools?

 

The problem isn't a bad matchup so much it's the fact that he allowed this fight to happen in the first place. Sadly every time Melmoth starts talking the cuscene effect engages.