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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

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Working with dwarves from Warhammer is evidently quite the challenge for Paol as he is trying to help settle the grudges. Something I am wondering about, Paol is dating queen Khalida, but what about that dark elf he was with towards the beginning of his time in the Warhammer world? Did they break up? Is he somehow dating both of them with their consent if not blessing? On that note, I'm looking forward to seeing how he gets along with other significant characters from Warhammer like Karl Franz.
 
BrotherofaStudio said:
Something I am wondering about, Paol is dating queen Khalida, but what about that dark elf he was with towards the beginning of his time in the Warhammer world? Did they break up? Is he somehow dating both of them with their consent if not blessing?
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Yes. Multiple wives and concubines were common in Nehekhara back in the day, so him having an elf lover isn't going to bother her. Aranei is working under the assumption that as a minor sorcercess in the employ of someone as powerful as him, he's obviously in a position to do whatever he wants. The weird thing is that he's being so nice about it. Remember how worried she got when the HIgh Elves turned up?
On that note, I'm looking forward to seeing how he gets along with other significant characters from Warhammer like Karl Franz.
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I'll have to reread Drachenfels to brush up on his characterisation.
 
Mr Zoat said:
Yes. Multiple wives and concubines were common in Nehekhara back in the day, so him having an elf lover isn't going to bother her. Aranei is working under the assumption that as a minor sorcercess in the employ of someone as powerful as him, he's obviously in a position to do whatever he wants. The weird thing is that he's being so nice about it. Remember how worried she got when the HIgh Elves turned up?
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Ah, yes, that does clear things up. I really wish that TVTropes would update their recap page so that it's possible to see which versions of Paul show up in which chapter. They've already started but haven't finished or really made a lot of progress last time I checked.
 
BrotherofaStudio said:
Ah, yes, that does clear things up. I really wish that TVTropes would update their recap page so that it's possible to see which versions of Paul show up in which chapter. They've already started but haven't finished or really made a lot of progress last time I checked.
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It might be easier if you look up Alternate Universe, then check all ages related to it. Afterwards, just search for With This Ring, and it should give you all the recap pages that currently have that trope, meaning all the episodes that either have Paul or the Renegade go to other universes, or show alternate versions of them, like Paol or Baul.
 
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Playable, sure, but you still have to ignore people floating through the air behind their cars and an AI that can't path, for example.
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I haven't seen people floating, but minor pathing issues are common in stuff like fallout or TES too.

Mr Zoat said:
I don't know if killing Adam Smasher when you first meet him still soft locks the game, but I suspect that it does.
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Most games break when you hack them.

Edit: To clarify, the first time you meet Adam is in the middle of a scripted cutscene where you have no ability to attack, and would need to noclip through a wall just to be in the same room as him.

The second time you meet him is the exact same. You'd have to noclip through a garage door instead of getting in a car, then walk into a scripted cutscene without triggering the scripting to actually play.

When you aren't deliberately breaking the game on purpose, it doesn't have these issues.
 
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'How badly do you want the Phoenix Crown back?'
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I've seen some sources saying the dwarves would give it back any time since they won the war, which technically settles the grudge-as-grudge (but doesn't make them like elves any better). All that's required is for the elven high king to present himself at Karaz-a-Karak, apologize and take responsibility for the war, and they'd hand it to him personally. That's the real "how badly do you want the Phoenix Crown back" question.
 
iamnuff said:
Most games break when you hack them.

Edit: To clarify, the first time you meet Adam is in the middle of a scripted cutscene where you have no ability to attack, and would need to noclip through a wall just to be in the same room as him.
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No, the game wasn't hacked. You get a brief opening to hack him, and if you kill him with it -which apparently wasn't all that hard- the game left you stuck in the apartment.

 
Mr Zoat said:
No, the game wasn't hacked. You get a brief opening to hack him, and if you kill him with it -which apparently wasn't all that hard- the game left you stuck in the apartment.

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Mr Zoat said:
No, the game wasn't hacked. You get a brief opening to hack him, and if you kill him with it -which apparently wasn't all that hard- the game left you stuck in the apartment.

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I don't have time to watch the full video right now and I can't find the bit you're talking about by skimming, but i've played through The Heist multiple times (although only once on 1.5+) and I've never been able to hack Adam Smasher. (not that it would actually make any sense for you to do that, given the context of the mission, given that you're hiding from him.)
I suspect that either that guy encountered a rare bug that you aren't likely to see yourself, or he modified his game somehow.

The only real "Yo, this shit isn't done yet." i've seen (aside from a couple of crashes) is way up on Trash Mountain in the dump outside of the city, where you look down and can see that half the garbage that you're climbing on is only textured on one side and you can see the bare untextured earth underneath.
It's like... yeah, that's the sort of thing that you normally don't start seeing until you go out-of-bounds, and here it's just in the middle of a playable zone.
Although to be fair, I did have to Skyrim up a garbage dump to get to it, so... maybe that's just not supposed to be climbable?

If you want to wait then wait. There's a big DLC coming out and supposedly an update to melee combat and the police system up next. You might be better grabbing it after that anyway. *shrug*

If you do get it, everything will probably be fine and you will probably have a lot of fun with it.
Just be sure to rotate your saves, so that if you do softlock yourself or break a save-file, it doesn't fuck up your whole run.

In other words, treat it like a bethesda game, I guess.
 
Chojin Patriarch said:
Not enough gold in the world for that.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but while matter transmutation via Power Ring is charge expensive, it's certainly possible - and when you have the entire Warp as a battery to draw from, I'm pretty sure Paulos can literally make all the gold he wants. Since he's paying debts off with it, tho, I suspect he keeps that fact under his hat.
 
The context of this is that Paol is settling grudges related to perceived human debts to the dwarves clans to get them on board with his project, not settling all the grudges dwarves have with everyone (because Elven parties are long lived enough to settle their own shit and he doesn't care to settle debts from evil assholes) or at least that was my read on the situation using previous warhammer chapters as context.


Remember Paol is building infrastructure of both the mundane and magical kind with armies of undead and human workers. The Elves may be aiding him as well, but nothing concrete was written in an update.
 
BrotherofaStudio said:
Ah, yes, that does clear things up. I really wish that TVTropes would update their recap page so that it's possible to see which versions of Paul show up in which chapter. They've already started but haven't finished or really made a lot of progress last time I checked.
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Well, you can always make a TVTropes account and contribute to the page. Like I should
 
Steelplaza said:
I've seen some sources saying the dwarves would give it back any time since they won the war, which technically settles the grudge-as-grudge (but doesn't make them like elves any better). All that's required is for the elven high king to present himself at Karaz-a-Karak, apologize and take responsibility for the war, and they'd hand it to him personally. That's the real "how badly do you want the Phoenix Crown back" question.
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Ah. So the elf-king would have to swallow his pride to get the crown back? No wonder the Dawi still have it.
 
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We also use "sorry" when we hear that bad things have happened that we had nothing to do with, as a way of expressing sympathy. Do dwarfs have a word/expression for that?
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Mr Zoat said:
No.
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One of the possible meanings for Kol is somber, and the -al suffix indicates that the root word applies to a group, so Kolal would be a word to indicate communal somberness, letting the Dwarf addressed know that they aren't alone in their woes. Khazalid is explicitly stated to be impacted heavily by modifying suffixes, on page 73 of the 6th edition army book, which sits before me in dead tree format.

Undammak would be the word for assuring that a grievance will be made right.
 
Pete Tong (part 2)
30th December 2012
16:14 GMT -5

"Hm-hmmmm-hmmmm hm hmm-hmm-hmm-."

I frown as I pick up the letter in the letter basket inside Jade's flat's door. From the Alliance, apparently. Not sure why they're writing to me. My home address isn't exactly a secret, but I've been spending more time in my own home in Bir Tawil lately. I've had a few people writing to me, but for the most part they don't bother.

That's actually a little sad. I know that letter writing has dropped off immensely since the invention of e-mail, but surely there are at least a few people desperate to write to me? I honestly get more advertising fliers than requests for help.

Quick check for anything untoward-

Letter clear.

-and I open it up. Ah… Oh, the first part of their teleportation array is going to be put into operation tomorrow. When was this-? Ah, yes, I suppose that I haven't been checking the door-. I mean, if I'm just coming here to sleep I just appear in the bedroom, so…

I sigh.

Not only am I invited to the grand unveiling, but they want to give me access to their network just in case I ever need it. I've got a big enough reputation that they think a background check is redundant; I'm clearly not going to use it for cheap holiday travel or anything.

And I haven't RSVPed.

I mean, I don't need it, but it's a nice thing for them to do.

I turn to the second page. The itinerary. It's… Only a couple of hours, start to finish. I should put in an appearance. I mean, I'd honestly prefer it if this sort of international effort was organised by a government, but I spend most of my time in America. The superheroic tradition here is passionately independent, and… So am I. And if the private sector wants to fill a need the government won't, good for them.

Ring, contact Alpha Centurion.

Compliance.

Might be worth me checking in with Blitzen beforehand. I honestly don't think there's any skulduggery going on. At least, no more than in any large organisation. Everyone I've looked at who's joined the Alliance has been pretty well motivated-.

I need to nag Batman about the Small League model again. And probably the others. With another organisation doing the Big League model, the choice of the correct way to organise the League is…

More obvious. Should I give Vincent Edge a copy of the JSI's files? He doesn't seem like the sort to create that sort of organisation, but he's an old man, and the people around him might… Not be malevolent, exactly, but they might want to focus on efficiency at the expense of morality…

I still haven't really worked that one through in my own mind. But I don't think that someone as afraid of Old Testament retribution as he is will go too far wrong deliberately.

"Alpha Centurion."

"Orange Lantern here."

"Ah! You're back on Earth!"

"Yes. Um, sorry, I just picked up my post-."

"Did you know that there's no postal carrier in the world that delivers to Bir Tawil?"

"I didn't, but I'm not surprised. As I said, sorry. If it's not too late, I'd like to attend."

"Not at all. We'd be delighted to have you. Could we persuade you to use the relay system itself?"

"I don't really… Yeah, yeah, okay. I can do that. Are you having problems with people not wanting to use it?"

"A few. You and I both know that the technology is safe, but almost everyone speaks of 'telefragging'."

"When if anything goes wrong what would actually happen is the person being transported and any local matter being turned into an undifferentiated plasma field."

"That's hardly likely, within the confines of a single planet and with a network of towers to regulate the terminus."

"I know. But if it did… "

"And they could be knocked down by a car crossing the street. Are you truly concerned about the safety of the system?"

"No, no. It's not the system I would have gone for, but I know it has clear advantages."

Mostly, in that it makes mass deployment from varying locations far easier. The League's more of a 'one riot, one hero' organisation, but if you need teams for everything then it's actually a better system.

"Is this actually the first time that it's been used, or..?"

"Of course not! This just marks it being put into service. We've sent both test samples and superheroes a dozen times now. It would be extremely foolish of us to risk anything going on at the public unveiling!"

"Yes, I suppose it would. So should I just turn up..?"

"Yes, I'll let security know that you're expected. I appreciate you putting in the time."

"Happy to help. Orange Lantern out."

Ring, contact Alan.

Compliance.

"Hey Paul. Forget something?"

"No, I just found out that I've got an invitation to that… Alliance of the Just unveiling, and I was wondering if you were going?"

"I thought I might as well. Everyone on the League got an invite, though I don't know how many are actually gunna turn up. Are you going?"

"Yes. Alpha Centurion's even going to let me go through. I've never been teleported in this exact way before. And if there are any problems, I'm probably the best person to find them."

"True. You know, something like this happening was kind of a dream for me, back in the forties. And now, rather than Captain Comet or Superman doing it, it's Vincent Edge of all people."

"Would you prefer it was Lex Luthor?"

"God, no. And I'm glad that Edge has found religion and straightened himself out. It's just not how I saw it happening."

"Did you ever read that thing I wrote for Batman about structures for the League's expansion?"

"Paul, everyone on the League reads everything you send us. Fool us twice… Let us fool ourselves twice, shame on us."

"Did you have any thoughts on it?"

"That's a worryingly vague way to put it."

"I mean, now that the Alliance has gotten this far, I think that the Small League model is the one to go for."

"A small, elite team? Yeah, I see what you mean. You wanna tell Ollie?"

"If he doesn't want to augment himself, he can just… Be grandfathered in."

"Honestly? I prefer it the way the Alliance is handling things. But if they're doing that then I guess you're right. See you tomorrow?"

"See you tomorrow."
 
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That's actually a little sad. I know that letter writing has dropped off immensely since the invention of e-mail, but surely there are at least a few people desperate to write to me? I honestly get more advertising fliers than requests for help
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They probably know what type of crazy crap you bring, so they don't want it.

And now I'm thinking the teleporting incident is going to go wrong.
 
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What's the Small League model and why is it better for them? They have suoerheroes they have a teleportation network, sounds like the JL Light too me.
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I think back when OL was advising the Justice League on which way to develop their current organization, he offered two ways - either a global organization with a lot of not very powerful heroes working across the planet solving city-level problems, or a small team of the most/uniquely powerful heroes on Earth who gather together when everything goes to shit for a coordinated response. With the Alliance so far stepping in to do the former job, the latter becomes the obvious choice for the League.
 
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