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Coronavirus COVID-19 Pandemic

Well, an economic collapse kills people too.

This is especially true in poorer areas like the Third World.
 
OverMaster said:
Well, an economic collapse kills people too.

This is especially true in poorer areas like the Third World.
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It is true, certainly, but also completely irrelevant. The course of action that minimizes the economic impact also happens to be the course of action that minimizes the deaths and suffering, and vice-versa.
 
I arleady wrote about Ukraine and Belaruss,where nobody did anything and people are not mass dying - but entire Africa did the same.And they do not die from CV,too.
Malaria,AIDS - yes,people mass die from that sometimes..CV - no.
 
ATP said:
I arleady wrote about Ukraine and Belaruss,where nobody did anything and people are not mass dying - but entire Africa did the same.And they do not die from CV,too.
Malaria,AIDS - yes,people mass die from that sometimes..CV - no.
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Here's the door, I'm throwing you out of this thread and on your ass for good.

TotalAbsolutism gave you all a final warning, I'm putting that final warning into effect. You all were told to quit it with this conspiracy-mongering, and here we are again.
 
This is indirectly related to Covid, but Seattle, WA recently put in place a rule that frontline, essential workers deserve a $4/hr pay raise for being on the frontlines. This was chiefly seen amongst grocery store workers. Kroger's response? To shut down two stores and fire all the workers, because the giant national corporation that has been making bank during this pandemic because of everyone shopping instead of going out for activities is apparently "losing money."

So much for all that praise for "essential workers." Reminds me of this pic

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Ragnarok said:
This is indirectly related to Covid, but Seattle, WA recently put in place a rule that frontline, essential workers deserve a $4/hr pay raise for being on the frontlines. This was chiefly seen amongst grocery store workers. Kroger's response? To shut down two stores and fire all the workers, because the giant national corporation that has been making bank during this pandemic because of everyone shopping instead of goin
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It's the principle of the thing. You don't want the lowlies to think you can afford to pay them; they'll demand more money.
 
I got flu. Panic all around. The swab test says it's negative for COVID. Am still quarantined and fucked up with a runny nose and fever.
 
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Do you think the pandemic is the earth's way of punishing us for our carelessness towards it? Maybe we're the real virus?
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If it is, it's a really incompetent punishment, given how poorly it's been aimed. That's why I've never considered the idea of disasters as punishment: They always disproportionately affect the least culpable and disproportionately spare the most culpable.
 
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Were all culpable!

Every time I go for a walk I see trash near a bush! Every time we drive we pollute! Every time we buy useless things we harm the planet in some way!
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Even if almost every individual gave up their wicked ways and became perfectly responsible environmentalists, it'd basically just be a token effort as long as the ones who are actually causing the majority of the harm keep ignoring their responsibilities. Yet they get spared and the people who do the least aggregate harm get hit.
 
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Who said anything about them being spared?
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Scientific analysis of the epidemic and its impact? Like most disasters, the wealthiest individuals suffer the least harm. Death rate after infection is heavily correlated with wealth, and the billionaires made billions while the working poor got laid off.

If there's ever a disaster that's being inflicted on humanity as a punishment for our sins, you'd think it'd at least have the courtesy to affect everyone equally instead of outright reversing culpability and harm.
 
Frankly, it's absolute bullshit that so-called "essential" workers* on the frontlines aren't a priority. Sure, the elderly and teachers are important. But they aren't the most likely to get COVID.


*essential my ass. If companies actually cared they would increase wages. So far only a select few have given frontline employees hazard pay. If you can, buy from companies that treat their workers right. Trader Joe's is a big example, rolling out a $2 pay raise a while back, and has just increased the hazard pay to $4.
 
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Frankly, it's absolute bullshit that so-called "essential" workers* on the frontlines aren't a priority. Sure, the elderly and teachers are important. But they aren't the most likely to get COVID.
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The elderly aren't the most likely to get COVID -- they're the most likely to die from it. They're being prioritized because every indication is that doing so is the best way to cut down the plague's death toll.

Teachers, similarly, have to spend a shitton of time in close proximity with people who are known for spreading diseases like wildfire.
 
From Brazil here and the long announced disaster is upon hand and shows no real signs of slowing down, I fear we will eventually go past three thousand daily deaths and keep climbing.

And with the USA sorting itself out there is no longer distraction from the dumpster fire this country became. I just hope we get lucky with the immense number of cases and no particularly dangerous mutation occurs.
 
Things have become slightly annoying in Australia, the state of queensland has broken its 2 month streak of no new cases of Covid after a doctor at one of the largest hospitals in the state was infected by one of two patient's with covid, so now half the state is going back into lockdown since she was in the community for a day and contact tracing needs to be done.

Definitely awkward timing since vaccine rollout had just started, but going by previous cases when this happened things should be contained after a few days of lockdown.

On the bright side, I do appreciate the fact that it's literally national news here when a single person in a state gets covid, it has become that rare.
 
Poland here. Shit is getting really bad. My aunt who's nurse at hospital is almost at the breaking point. There no more free respirators. Everyday there are patients comming who need one. They have to wait for one until someone get better or pass away. Many don't last this long to have a chance.

She said everyday have 3-4 deaths just among people connected to respirators. And the other day when she talked with director he said that Director of other hospital called, begging and crying, asking if they have one or two respirator to spare.

And it isn't just Covid patients who need those. They literally have to decide who lives and who dies.

One good thing in this hell is that it appears that vaccination worked. There less death among elderly ( from covid-19 that is). Now majority od dead are people between age of 20-50 years old in recent weeks.
 
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Poland here. Shit is getting really bad.
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And getting worse -- but fortunately not as bad as they were back in November. It's a shame -- you guys were doing so well until September or so...

Here's to hoping that the vaccines cut down on the worst of it. *Sigh*
 
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Well, an economic collapse kills people too.
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"We must sacrifice the vulnerable to appease the invisible hand, lest it get angry and smite us."

It makes me so fucking sad that people have accepted that we "need" to allow mass death for the sake of the economy, even when real countries in the real world managed to eliminate local transmission without destroying their own economies in the process. We have been so thoroughly domesticated that we'd rather literally die than make the money line go down
 
I live in a Third World country going through a major crisis, if we lose our jobs, we literally face the likely threat of death by starvation and losing all of our properties. Don't you lecture me when you don't know our circumstances.
 
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USA here, glad we could entertain, hope your situation improves.

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It was more a feeling of commiseration and advanced warning of the shitshow.

As for improvement... well I am afraid the light at the end of the tunnel is an incoming train.
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I live in a Third World country going through a major crisis, if we lose our jobs, we literally face the likely threat of death by starvation and losing all of our properties. Don't you lecture me when you don't know our circumstances.
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Well I was going to say the obvious but apparently I said it before and was ignored, so I will try another direction of discussion.

Fundamentally you are missing the point. The whole 'but the economy' is about first world countries which possess the infrastructure, organization, resources and everything to trivially contain the pandemic thus almost entirely negate all direct consequences(how other countries are doing is another story). Yet a lot of people can't be bothered to for several reasons and try to give that excuse even as their actions contribute to a significant economic downturn.

That is what the term means. Not legitimate concerns about how keep things working during the pandemic, but an utter disregard to the pandemic as being a crisis at all.
 
OverMaster said:
I live in a Third World country going through a major crisis, if we lose our jobs, we literally face the likely threat of death by starvation and losing all of our properties. Don't you lecture me when you don't know our circumstances.
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How the fuck does opening bars and ending mask mandates in America help your country in literally any way? Please, stop assuming stonks affect your life. They do not.
 
So, I finally, finally, after much drama and waiting and several all-nighters spent in various queues and lines, have an appointment for the Moderna vaccine.

Given the medical crap I've been dealing with of late, this is a tremendous relief.
 
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