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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Discussion in 'Creative Writing' started by Mr Zoat, Jan 27, 2019.

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  1. Ganurath

    Ganurath Apologizes For Nothing

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  2. Agent Orange

    Agent Orange Versed in the lewd.

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    Find out in the next episode of: 'OL vs Status Quo!'
     
  3. Sorrow

    Sorrow Making the rounds.

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    I don't think that will work, exactly. Too many of the World's Finest and protectors of earth are alien. Superman is an alien. Martian Manhunter is an Alien. The Hawks are Aliens. The Green Lanterns are supplied by Aliens. Any true Xenophobia is not going to work well with this fact.
     
  4. Ngamer11

    Ngamer11 I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    Tell that to former General, possibly now Senator, Hardcastle.
     
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  5. Gantradies

    Gantradies Not too sore, are you?

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    Or to Alexander Luthor- I still strongly suspect that the paragon version is still happily off his rocker About Clark- acting classes are usually cheaper then psychotherapy, and require fewer admissions of your own flaws/neurosis >.<

    once someone starts wonking on about a single inane issue, 2/3 of the time they’re just continuing inside their head if you get them to shut up..
     
  6. CTrees

    CTrees Chasing the ring

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    You know, that sounds like a question for the sociologist in the family. Or is that too much of a "soft science" for you, Dr. Sivana?
     
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  7. Darko

    Darko Experienced.

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    Sadly there are always people that are willing to embrace idiotic ideologies, even when there's evidence contradicting their beliefs.

    He's apparently running some kind of psychological experiment on his children, with the whole who gets into a relationship first thing, so he most likely has knowledge and respect for those types of sciences, but may not have that much interest compared to some other things. And Paul is one of the few experts on people Sivana knows.
     
  8. Flightless Man

    Flightless Man Getting sticky.

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    Oh yeah smiley. thats another month or so.
    All the Pauls was kind of answered but i dont remember if paragon or renegade knows. i also thought him not being in fate/history was just a when he was inserted in time thing. you are right but i dont see any of this taking to long.

    I can see many hard hit countries wanting lex and his fleet as leader of unified earth. He begins gobbling up nations and soon its countries that can stand on thier own after the Sheeda invasion and every country that needs lex and the lights help.

    Alien wise Why hasn't the church tried to say any alien that looks 90% human is a creation of their god who seeded dozens or more worlds. Any human like aliens are ok but the weird aliens are bad.
    Superman, the Hawks, all look very human so why hasn't anyone misrepresented the facts with a conspiracy.

    Its going to be hard to turn earth against heroic aliens, so dont. turn them against the dozens of aliens that dont have a hero on earth. Go conquer some more advanced worlds in a form of space imperialism/colonisation. (its not good but its a lex kind of idea)
     
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  9. Doccer

    Doccer Know what you're doing yet?

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    Was it ever confirmed whether or not it exists?
     
  10. Revlis

    Revlis Making the rounds.

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    If Canon comics are anything to go by, maybe a couple weeks of dealing with the fallout, then ignore it ever happened. If even that.
     
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  11. Darko

    Darko Experienced.

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    Paragon Lex doesn't have a fleet.

    We have no idea what the various religions stances on aliens is, we just know that they accept magic to some degree, or what type of conspiracies are out there about why a lot of aliens look like humans.

    If Earth becomes a conquering world then either the Guardians and the GLC or the Controller's and the OLC will make sure they immediately rethink their foreign policy, unless they want to lose their fleet and be locked up on their planet.

    The fact that he showed up was very weird and in the TV Tropes page for members of the Light it says that he's a member, so chances that he exists are very high.

    Not necessarily, they are starting to adopt magic after Roanoke, so we know that they can learn from incidents like this.

    The reason why they haven't before this is because things like this are apparently rare on Earth 16, unlike in the other universes where aliens practically invade once a year.
     
  12. PrinceJonathan

    PrinceJonathan I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    Probably follow up on that reporter who disappeared? Because there's no way this is not important.

     
  13. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    Thank you, corrected.
    Sivana frowns. "Well, no one has ever survived one of my dissections before, but I'm sure that if they do we can come to some sort of arrangement."

     
  14. Someguy Somewhere

    Someguy Somewhere The Critical Fumbler

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    Hmm, not the first mad science type I've heard use the phrase, but Tyl Regor really was more interested in revenge then SCIENCE at the time.

     
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    'What do you think this sort of trauma does to humans'

    Or just remove 'do you think'
     
  16. Fellow

    Fellow Know what you're doing yet?

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    I wonder how the Saremites reacted to the Sheeda during all this. If I remember right their people are the remnants of those that managed to survive a previous Harrowing. I had completely forgotten about them until I started re-reading the story and got to the part where Kon and OL go to Themyscira.
     
  17. Flightless Man

    Flightless Man Getting sticky.

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    I guess i got some renegade chapters mixed up and thought both lexs did. This focuses paragon more on the reach and scientist lex. Renegade more on Darkside and Politician Lex.

    Fair enough, my point was more that as far as earths experiance with aliens go, some basically look like humans only with different skin/hair color or bird wings. and then others look drastically different like kilowag or some of the other lantern aliens. It would be easier for a group to come up with a reason the more human looking aliens are friendlier to humanity. Alien hate would come after invasions especially since its rarer here. But then i guess the whole genemorph/demon laws have made this a non factor. So yeah i realize my error on this one.

    We have many uninhabited worlds we can terraform for mass expansion. Someone like lex can get some more agrresive yet weaker species to attack us. we defeat and conquer the ones who attack us. The guardians wont get involved for a few hundred years based on prior dealings, Earth has to become a sector sized empire for them to really care.Lex the light know about the reach's restrictions on war and can get Earth on a similar we will uplift you plan. Thanagar and many other empires exist and the OL and GL corps only curb excess hostilities. If Earth, the OL, 2IC's world makes an empire, it looks to everyone like its OL and GL approved because 5 human GL's and OL torchbearer is human.

    With all the Sheeda, Reach, Appokalyptian, Appelexian, and mad scientist tech, Humans don't need OL or GL's for a fleet. Renegade version humans already have one, paragon can have one soon. Even if earth goes military expansion in space, we wont affect enough of spece for atleast a century for us to matter.


    Again to reiterate, i don't want this to end but i have been wracking my brain for a couple weeks now for remaining plots. I'm getting scared it will end

    Sivanna feels like it is wrapping up.

    Wonder Woman and Alan and Guy (I feel like each has some minor threads still unraveled).

    His Gotham friends can always be thrown in but i'd be more interested in Bullocks view of post Sheeda invasion. The girls feel more like filler.

    Shazam/Black Adam/Billy is a plot i forgot and i do want to see how this is finally resolved.

    Team and Zatanna.(Again a few threads left like seeing how the kids are after a war. Who's mindsets changed?)

    Missing Constantine, i also forgot is ongoing.

    Darkstars, OL corp and Reach. Time with Jade. (Did Someone ever comeback in time instead of Bart Allen or was this removed completely? or still to come?)

    Guardians confrontation and i guess since all the corps have been forming, Blackest night is on its way. I assume as final arc for Paragon since he deals with Lantern stuff more. Renegade will probably do Darkside, since theirs only one of him or something(i only like 85% understand darkside).

    Mr Smiley i kind of assume will be the remerge the different pauls kind of thing or atleast give a concrete reason for everything. Maybe Constantine went looking for a real answer behind why Paul is here since he is basically the only one who knows. Paul taught him a work ethic and to help friends, so John is doing so.

    Starro's have been dealt with right? Martian heritage I forgot is in middle of revolution.

    Edit: the election has been ongoing for a long time aswell. I can see maybe 2 years :)

    Based on how fast Zoat writes, and with his back and forths of perspectives between versions, i can see 1 and a half or so years of paragon story left. I'm happier then i was a few days ago, thanks for everyone who gave me hope by reminding me of plot threads. I was really getting scared i was going to wake up and see this was marked finished. And if i am forgetting anymore main storylines i would love to be reminded so i know i have even longer to read.
     
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    Every powerful country using this as their [censored] excuse to make them come there?
     
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    I wouldn't bet on Lex and the Lights ability to manipulate the Reach.

    In the show the reason they won against them was because a time traveler came back to stop the Reach.

    In the timeline where he didn't come back the Reach won.

    The Guardians may be keeping a closer eye on the Earth due to the Life Entity, along with all the other weird things there.

    We also don't know what their policy is to conquering empires now compared to in the past, after the Reach fought them, so now they may have changed their policies and act quickly.

    We know they quarantied one species on their home world.

    Bart Allen, if he shows up, may show up several years from now in the story.
     
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  20. Flightless Man

    Flightless Man Getting sticky.

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    Normally no, but Earth has more to fight back with here. Its more of an even manipulation on both sides.

    As long as earths first couple of interstellar moves arent warlike, they get past the stage we can be easily quarantined.GL's now have several corps to contend with and would have to agree with OL corp before moving against earth. They were going to give paul the whole sector when he had ophidian so unless a sectors lantern can handle it, guardians will make a deal. Humans end up with a whole sector.
     
  21. Radix

    Radix Your first time is always over so quickly, isn't it?

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    We just finished "season 4" out of 11 if the plan is to end at December 2015. Reach seems to be the arc plot for season 5.

    As for other stuff:

    Sinestro Corp War or other war. I think Paul has been reckless in his Orange Lantern Corp and there are likely others that will pop up. A red or yellow lantern war feels inevitable. Potentially even a curveball with Indigo or even going directly against the Greens. Earth 16 Sinestro is one of the most conspicuous remaining absences.

    Blackest Night. A follow up to the Corp War. Nekron and the Entity haven't really been dealt with yet.

    Whatever Constantine has been up to. Another magic plot.

    Boss Smiley plus there is the potential for more Hellplot. I don't think Mammoth is quite as stable in his position, someone likes the old status quo, besides Mammoth himself. It has been mentioned a couple times that he isn't completely reliable. How long before it is exploited for their benefit.

    Darkseid is still a threat to Paragon. Canon has a true Darkseid and each universe has an aspect of him or something. It is how there is a Granny-51 and a Granny-16. And as per Season 2 and 3 of YJ Canon, there is definitely a Darkseid at work who is dealing with the Light.

    There is also the risk of the metahuman traffiking proliferation plotline. But even more direct of an arms race. Paragon Britain and Morgana are still out there and are only one part of the hidden unstable geopolitical environment.

    There is also still the multiverse. Blue Lantern and the Syndicate is still out there, not to mention the wider multiverse. Krona isn't the only threat to deal with, I don' think the monitors have even really been involved yet.

    There are other space threats from a more traditional invasion such as War World.

    I think the Legion of Superheroes and Time Travel can still be relevant as well.

    Finally there is still the Light itself. Paragon has dealt with a few of the members, but Savage, Lex, and their support network is still out there. And they will keep recruiting.

    There is also the option of a larger focus on alternate-Pauls than just him and Renegade.


    Speaking to uplift from a few releases ago, I think you don't even need to look at Peter to see how Paul is doing. Even Renegade is doing better imo. Like he spent no time on the Sheeda and his forces still wiped them out so bad that the plot actually had to strand Renegade in the future. Not to mention he dealt with the Light. Finally he set up Light 2.0 which is a system far more capable of uplift than the Paragon's Justice League and his research network. There is already a Renegade EDF. He dealt with Britain. He set up a metahuman affairs department and a far more informed government than Paragon's Senator Knight who is still running in an election and would still have a lot of uptick needed.

    Paragon feels very self-righteous and hypocritical in his actions, and isn't even that more farsighted than Renegade. Renegade is very honest about who he is, and seems less willing to condemn others as much. Renegade can also experience threats as well at some points. Even at his cosmic level, he can still fight cosmic level threats. But the Ophidian is such a game-breaker.
     
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    That's unlikely to happen because Paul probably wouldn't let it happen.

    Yeah he wants the Earth to flourish and prosper, but not at the expense of innocent people, and he doesn't want humanity to become a bunch of conquering imperialists.

    If they conquered people that attacked them then he may be fine with it, provided they treat the people well and don't do the things conquerors have done, like enslavement.

    If he finds out these aliens were manipulated into attacking Earth then he would try to get rid of the manipulator.

    And even if they make colonies the GLC can still just destroy the ships and leave the colonists quarantied on the colony worlds, or just have a Lantern use their ring to pick them up and move them back to Earth.
     
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    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    No, it's correct as it is.
    Mild shame that the humans were able to handle something which their people were not.
     
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    I think Zoat mentioned that the whole avatar of a greater force Darkseid isn't a thing in his story, and Darkseid is just a very powerful godlike being, but is not the Avatar of some multidimensional entity.

    Yeah there are multiple versions of him throughout the multiversre, but there are also multiple versions of other people throughout it as well, and none of them are avatars.

    He's also apprently not that interested in the Earth in this story, and just sees it as another random planet.

    The metahumans trafficking may not happen in this story, as I think I remember Truggs mentioning something about using a power giving device on soldiers and volunteers, unlike in canon in which they kidnapped children, so while a metahumans arms race may happen, it may not be as horrifying as the one in the show.

    As for the uplift thing, this has been explained multiple times, by both the author and other readers.

    Paul wants others to help the uplift process and actually take action, and not just depend on him to do everything, since that's basically coddling people.

    He compared just giving all the data in his ring to wiping the ass of a physically and mentally capable adult.

    He wants people to take more action themselves since he can't be there all the time, and he's going to go to war against a powerful empire that may have something that can kill him, and that's without getting to the fact that he fights various weird things that can also kill him, to the point where he may not be able to come back.

    Other people have been taking actions to uplift technology throughout this story, like releasing powerful energy tech.

    Paragon is also much, much more honest than renegade.

    If you actually read the renegade chapters you'll see that he practically seems to be manipulating people most of the time and is trying to hide things from them, while paragon doesn't tend to do that as much.

    Renegade is also very, very willing to condemn people.

    He started a humiliation campaign against some people that saw some of them commit suicide, and has been badmouthing Ryandr in public and hurting his reputation on Tamaran.

    Paul didn't do these things.

    I'd say renegade is much more willing to condemn others than paragon is.
     
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    In fairness the humans knew for months that the Sheeda would attack, so they had some time to prepare some measures to defend themselves, while the Saremites didn't have any advance warning from what we know.
     
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    Silverias Making the rounds.

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    Isn't this Sheeda harrowing basically EXACTLY what The Light wanted, but without them getting to make themselves look good for it?
     
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    Flightless Man Getting sticky.

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    I agree Paul will try to not let it happen. Thats why i was saying Lex and the Light already know the basics of galactic expansion rules. Its easy for them to be a nicer version of the Reach and still be evil. If humans colonize a dozen uninhabited worlds and establish an inter stellar prescence, 2 GL's will lose against earth. If it turns into a war, the guardians know earth will be a hard win so likely do a vega deal. I see our sector being blocked off way more likely then only earth.

    The GLC does not have the power it once did. they won't be able to make a decision on Humans with discussing it with Dox and Paul/OL Corp. They were already willing in story to write off our sector, if done smart Lex could arrange for human domination of the sector. If Gl's move against humans without talking, it would basically begin the war of the light.

    Thank you, for sharing.
    Ok so we have a weaker darkside for Paragon, I didn't really understand the avatar thing.
    Morganna i also forgot so thank you.
    Yeah each nation's fast track advancing fits in with the elction. good catch.

    Meta Human Trafficking and Warworld are in YJ canon but here will feel like filler, like how mangha khan did.

    Yeah Multiverse is still an option. Krona again good catch thanks.

    Vandal, Lex and other members who have been involved we do need to handle i was brief on saying so. But adding new ones now will feel weird. Adding a bunch of new threats at this point even if in DC, will feel like padding/filler. Especially any of the ones not in YJ canon.

    I agree focusing on other Pauls is a good idea but i mainly meant Paragons story felt like it was nearing final few arcs. You reminded me of some and i can see about 3 years of Paragon Paul with what has been set up so it's not he final stretch like i feared. Feels like were in second half of grade 10(if story is someones school career from grade 1-12). Stories end and i dont want this to turn into bleach/naruto where it keeps going just to continue, so i am very glad more plots i forgot leaving natural story left.
     
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  28. Radix

    Radix Your first time is always over so quickly, isn't it?

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    The Avatar thing is mainly a Morrison thing to explain the singular evil Darkseid. But the main point is that there is more than one Darkseid in the multiverse.

    As for Darkseid's intentions for Earth, we only think he has no intentions for it. But in many continuities it grows to be a central part of his plans, even in Young Justice. Even if we go with an interpretation where he hasn't been colluding with Savage for centuries, Earth has still been brought to his attention in both Paragon and Renegade timelines. But I think there is more going on with him than Renegade realizes. I expect he has intentions that Renegade doesn't even suspect. After all he is basically uplifting the Earth, which is something Darkseid wants for his future armies once he gains the ALE.

    What was Renegade's humiliation campaign? I don't remember that.

    As for the explanation for the weak uplift, I don't find that a good answer. It is no different than Superman holding back his Kryptonian data. He doesn't need to do anything himself, but he doesn't seem to be doing that much to encourage people to do more. Not like Renegade is. Renegade is creating networks who do it. He has been fostering political will for change and advising political leaders. But Paragon seems to be very passive. I mean just compare the results of the Sheeda. Renegade timeline is pretty much secure. A free Britain and many dictators were overthrown in the third world. Not to mention his American influence. But in Paragon most of SA and Africa are basically defunct. And the American government seems to mostly just be staying still. But Paragon apparently has enough time to save his pet Chocolate company.

    As for the timeline I think there is definitely room for more story without adding any more out of context. There is still plenty from the politics of Earthly mythologies, the various lantern corps, and space politics without adding anything new.

    Paragon is the Justice League's pet attack dog who makes them slightly more effective, but he isn't uplifting the world like the Paul-ternates are doing.
     
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    Ngamer11 I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    He paid for a bunch of smear campaigns that brought the ones who allowed Count Vertigo to walk out via diplomatic immunity to the public's attention, destroying their careers, and possibly their entire lives. Some were so ostracized by others that they committed suicide. The rest of the Team weren't exactly okay with that, and neither was Wonder Woman.
     
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    Zig Know what you're doing yet?

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    The Light wants human superiority in space. Technically speaking, the Sheeda winning is that.
     
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