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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Discussion in 'Creative Writing' started by Mr Zoat, Jan 27, 2019.

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  1. Mquz

    Mquz Versed in the lewd.

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    Hm... is Animal Vegetable Mineral man somehow part of all three of the Green the Red and the Metal then? It’d be interesting to see what Zoat can do with him.
     
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  2. Darko

    Darko Well worn.

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    If he is then he would be connected to the Melt, not the Metal.

    The Metal is responsible for machines and technology, while the Melt covers things like minerals and rocks.
     
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  3. Stsword

    Stsword I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    The two aren't mutually exclusive, though. They'd share any machinery built out of minerals and rocks.

    Air/Water/Fire/Earth/Plant Elemental Swamp Thing built Anton Arcane a new human body by virtue, apparently, of humans being essentially bags of mineral water, to paraphrase Star Trek.
     
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  4. SaltyWaffles

    SaltyWaffles Not too sore, are you?

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    I don't think it's The Metal. I think it's a newborn god (well, in the sense that it's like a puppy--eager to work, but it doesn't really know what it should be doing). Which is cute, but the episode title worries me.
     
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  5. Xelloss

    Xelloss Getting sticky.

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    its

    Also, writing a message here on a phone is hell.
     
  6. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    Thank you, corrected.
    BURN THE MIDGET COMPUTERS!
     
  7. cereal_lurker

    cereal_lurker Making the rounds.

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    It's obviously pronounced "Kilg%re."

    [​IMG]
     
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  8. Steelplaza

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    It's not a religious fucking prohibition! I understand Zoat didn't like a lot of the nu52 stuff, but it was ten years ago at this point, and it's been effectively over for five years, even if (as usual in comics) some ideas writers like best managed to hang around. Since then characters have been reinterpreted and remixed and had new writers take their swing.

    There's no particular reason to draw a line in the sand in 2011 and say, "All the ridiculous bad writing prior to this point I'll pick and sort through to use bits I like, but all the ridiculous bad writing after this point I'm going to treat as irreversibly contaminating any ideas I might like." The idea of "the Metal" might have been used in the last decade, but that doesn't particularly make it a nu52 idea. It's just another DC comics concept, floating around like all the others.
     
  9. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    This isn't about reason.
     
  10. Rafin

    Rafin Know what you're doing yet?

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    Just what mouth-sounds is Paul making here and how did they differ from Earl's enough for him to feel the need to correct him?

    In the past you used to portray such things phonetically, like how Paul gets called "Oh El" instead of "OL".
     
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  11. Maxx Crowley

    Maxx Crowley I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    Also guns. Don't forget guns.

    And an unending need to point out how stupid he thinks super heros are. Usually by having them beat up and/or killed by Guys with Guns.
     
  12. Zig

    Zig Know what you're doing yet?

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    "Kilger? Could take over machines like this."

    "Kilg%re. "

    "Kilgore?"

    "Kilg%re."

    "How are you doing that with your mouth?"

    "Never f%cking mind how I'm doing it"
     
  13. Coda

    Coda I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    Either "this once" or "this one chance" would be okay here.
     
  14. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    It's a joke. Don't think too hard about it.
    I stopped doing that because the opinion of the majority of commenters was that it was annoying.
    Thank you, corrected.
     
  15. PDV

    PDV The Revelation That Uncertainty is Itself a Answer

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    With a power ring. But if I was actually going to approximate it with a human mouth I'd probably try "Kilg-osho-rr".
     
  16. Greckle

    Greckle Making the rounds.

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    Wooo finally caught up. Glad I did too, some fun stuff happened in the past two years of updates. Grayven and Artemis in the Land of Summers End was fascinating stuff, and probably my favorite.
     
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  17. Prognostic Hannya

    Prognostic Hannya Knight in the Yuri Crusade

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    It is the nascent Machine God! All Hail! Praise the Omnissiah!!!!
     
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  18. Stsword

    Stsword I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    Huh.

    Just thought of something.

    Wildstorm's the Great Machine was given the power over machines by extradimensional invaders.

    One of the alternate Great Machines was very clearly a Superman expy.

    A Superman with power over machines = Cyborg Superman.

    So one could see the Great Machine as a Cyborg Superman equivalent.

    Not that I think Zoat is doing an Ex Machina crossover here, although he certainly could.
     
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  19. Someguy Somewhere

    Someguy Somewhere The Critical Fumbler

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    Maybe it's some version of lead in to 'The Technis Imperative' story ? It's one of the definitive teen titan story lines out there, and we're a bit early for Beast Boy and Cyborg, looking at the ages OL has quoted.
     
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  20. Stsword

    Stsword I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    While it's too early for them to show up on the titans side, this would be after Swamp Thing got raped by Technis so Swampy's alien robot son Zavior
    should exist.

    Unless Zoat went "lalalala I can't see you" to that particular storyline. Cause you know, creepy.

    They aren't normally supernatural, just very freaking advanced, unless Zoat merged them with the concept of the Metal and made them technology elementals from outer space.

    Although the Technis was capable of claiming Cyborg's soul, so that's a New God level feat there and they defeated Swamp Thing using time manipulation technology which is impressive, since Swampy plays with the big boys.
     
  21. Hotcoco

    Hotcoco Getting out there.

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    For some reason the whole machines running them selves has me tinkled in a weird way also this video. Want to give a budding elemental or what ever a way to test his / her power over a world but don't want it to kill you, have it do a test run in a small scaled world .
     
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  22. Vaermina

    Vaermina Versed in the lewd.

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    You know... It would be hilarious if this was all Mr Nobody...
     
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    Bramble Thorn Verified Silhouette

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    "This is my hill-to-die-on. There may be many other hills-to-die-on out there, some larger or smaller, some flatter or steeper, and and I'm sure they are very nice hills-to-die-on. But this particular hill is mine, and that is just fine."
     
  24. Threadmarks: Maladaptive (part 8)
    Mr Zoat

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    22nd July 2012
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    I stroll into the garage, the owner just giving me a glance and then ignoring me.

    "Good evening, Seth."

    "Paul." The car has had its wheels removed, and parts of the panelling have been removed to grant easier access to the mechanisms I think of as the 'worky bits'. Vulcan's legs are sticking out of the door, while his head and shoulders remain firmly within. "Not sure I've got much for you yet."

    I nod.

    "Do you think it's worth bringing your brother in?"

    "He might have something useful to say, but I've got to be honest here: something like this… Hm."

    I look around, and while Mr. Zencha isn't paying us a lot of attention, he isn't deaf. I take a noise cancelling field generator out of subspace and activate it.

    "Good idea." Vulcan shuffles himself out a little, coming upright with his feet hanging out of the car door. "I'm not an expert on this sort of primal…" He spots Earl Dukeston and regards him curiously. "Magic."

    "Not a natural event?"

    "Not natural and I'm almost certain that it wasn't directed. Not by a magician, anyway. Who is this?"

    "Oh, I'm.. sorry. Vulcan, this is Earl Dukeston the Second. He's an AI with a highly adaptive robotic body whose mind is based on the mind of his predecessor, Earl Dukeston the First."

    Earl raises his right hand in greeting.

    "Howdy, Vulcan."

    "Welcome kindly, Mister Dukeston."

    "But it could be a god?"

    "A god, a titan, or something… Different. I read something a while ago about the possibility of human technology developing its own intelligence-."

    I shake my head. "If you're talking about some sort of emergent noosphere entity, that only applies to electromagnetic energy. We might make our own Kilg%re, but this car still wouldn't be vulnerable to it. And neither would isolated robots with no external control system. And… And frankly, I'm sceptical as to whether it's possible at all, other than in the normal ways an artificial intelligence could be created."

    "One ah you fellahs wanna fill a guy in?"

    "The term 'noosphere' refers to the sum total of telecommunications in a given area. Since the contents of communications impact one another, in… Very theoretically, a conscious mind could emerge from one once a civilisation reaches a certain point."

    "The internet could start thinking?"

    "One unusually intelligent indexing program is all it would take. In theory."

    "Boy howdy! Glad I said 'no' to that upgrade. I don't even wanna imagine what kinda twisted mind would crawl outta that place."

    "It probably wouldn't be that bad. It wouldn't have any reason to assign the same value to the information that we do. But-. As I said, it's unlikely that's what we're looking for. If it's a god, is it..? New?"

    "I looked through the list you sent me. It feels random, but that's just a feeling and not a god-given domain-related intuition. If someone was getting a feeling for their new powers, I can't see why they'd do it like this. And given how powerful the god would have become, there'd be wizards with blood pouring out of their eyes all over the place from the power backlash."

    "A new god? How would that work?"

    "If Heph got Athena pregnant, their domains are close enough that their offspring could become the God of Technology. Maybe." He smiles saucily. "But if something like that was happening, I'm pretty sure we'd have heard about it."

    "Are there any other gods in a position to try something like that? I imagine that there are a few chief gods who'd be prepared to lose their seats if it meant their pantheon coming to that level of prominence."

    "The only gods who actually plan things like that are the Shinto gods. But they've been working from the bottom up. A god of all technology?" He shakes his head. "Where would they find one?"

    "Don't they have gods of related concepts they could persuade to have a child together?"

    "It isn't impossible, but that hasn't been the direction they've been moving in." He shakes his head. "You'd have to ask one of them. I'm not close with any of them."

    "I'll add it to the slate. What are the other alternatives?"

    "A new god born directly from the Dream. Perhaps an entire pantheon. I'm too young to have ever seen it happening before, so I can't describe what it looked like last time."

    "Did any of the older members of your pantheon ever talk about it?"

    "Of their own births? Their first awkward, foundering steps into the magic realms of the Earth?" He looks amused by the idea. "No, never. You could try asking Hades if you want to compare the two, but Earth was a very different place back then."

    "What would a god want?"

    "Worshippers, a cult, recognition, and a reasonable reassurance that it's going to keep getting those things in the future. Assuming that it's a single god. With a whole pantheon it could be anything." He makes an amused exhalation. "Though I don't imagine they're going to want someone like me sticking around."

    Hm. If I remember my Warhammer 40,000 correctly…

    "What happens in the run up to a god being born? Or… However it works?"

    "If they're born as the child of an existing god, not a lot. If they emerge directly from the Dream…" He shakes his head. "I don't know. I've never seen it, and I don't understand the magic involved well enough to work it out. What we're seeing might fit, but I can't swear to it."

    "And if it was a titan?"

    His gaze grows a little distant. "Once, when he was really drunk, Jupiter talked about what that was like. Mortals and gods alike being driven insane by the ideas forced into their sleeping minds. The whole of the world's magic being thrown off balance until it finds a new equilibrium." His attention returns to me. "That's one of the reasons why they didn't kill the titans who survived the war; they're literally propping up what's left. I'd… Guess, that if a new titan was emerging from the depth of the Dream -a Titan of Technology- it would be similar to how it would be for a god, only far more severe. The nature of magic on Earth would change."

    I nod.

    "That's easier to check. I'll just need to ask magicians if their abilities have been off recently."

    He nods back. "I'd like to think that we'd notice in advance. But maybe this is us noticing."

    Okay, so talk to Hades, talk to… The Tower of Fate has a window onto the Dream. So John's probably the best person to ask about that aspect of things.

    "On an unrelated note, Mister Dukeston has a problem."

    He nods. "Apparently, ah'm a soulless bag of bolts and you're the fellah who can fix that."

    Vulcan shrugs. "I could build something…" He frowns. "If a god's awakening..." His frown deepens as he studies Mr. Dukeston. "I could build something that would draw magic from the world around you. I've studied Paul enough that I could create something like the network he has. But if a God of Machines is waking up… I might be able to use that magic to create something… More you."

    "I gotta decide right away?"

    "No. This business is more important, perhaps for the whole world." He shakes his head. "I can't even be certain what your choice would mean for you."

    "Then this seems like something ah should really sleep on."

    "As you will."

    "Thank you, Vulcan. You've been very helpful. I'll keep you up to date on what I discover."

    "And I, you. Thank you for bringing this to me. It's been a while since I've… Engaged with the world like this."
     
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  25. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    It's not really dying on a hill if no one dies.
     
  26. FreeGod

    FreeGod If you see a God on the road fuck it!

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    That is because no one is attacking his position to the bitter end. Now that end might be old age. Too soon to tell.
     
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  27. Darko

    Darko Well worn.

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    'the head'

    He makes an excellent point.

    Society of Virtue kinda showed what could happen.




    'there'd'

    I think there was an issue in Marvel where a bunch of new gods were born, one of them was named Manchester, and tried to replace the old gods, or something like that.

    Also, seriously getting American Gods vibes again.

    And sad the show was canceled.

    Worried about something like with what happened when Slaanesh was born, eh.

    So they're worried about something like what happened in God of War, when Kratos kills the gods.

    I think that in Scion the gods killed Ymir and brought an end to the Ice Age, but caused a global flood.

    'into'

    'Dreaming'
     
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  28. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    Thank you, corrected.
    No, that's right.
     
  29. Stsword

    Stsword I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    You seem to be equating two different pantheons of "Modern Gods" from Marvel according to my wiki walking.

    The Manchester Gods goal was to make the Otherworld as modern as Great Britain. So no more frolicking in fey woods but cars and roads et al. Whether the Otherworlders wanted to modernize or not.

    The Uprising Storm however wanted to do the whole cyclical kill the old gods to become the new bosses thing.
     
  30. Chojin Patriarch

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    Yes, better not to think too hard about the details. Mister Zencha is a wise man, it seems. After all, Goose, Golden Egg, all that jazz.

    Ah, yes. The age old issue of automobiles old and new: Awkward-to-access wiring clusters. If you've ever had to have a mechanic or auto-electrician work on something like the dash panel system, I hope you tipped well. That shit's a pain to get at...

    Hephaestus is more old-school, no matter what he's been learning. I doubt he'd put the effort in to make, say, an automata using modern electronics, for example. No, clockwork is good enough.

    Probably wondering if OL wants him to do a little work on the android. In which case, he may want to charge extra.

    So something is definitely making burps and bumps in the Earth's thaumic sphere, then.

    Ah, Superhero comics, in which an artificial human can chat with a God and not have anything seem unlikely about it.

    Not quite the Singularity, but kind of close. Probably more likely in DC Earth than ours, of course...

    Ah, the joy of having someone 'stupid' ignorant to exposit to. OL really does need some manner of long-term sidekick, doesn't he, so we can have that all the time. Oh, sure, we get brief times with this character or that one hanging around, but not always...

    To be fair, that's probably how at least one DC AI came to be...

    Hell, LExcorp's software development subsidiaries probably have something like that in their black projects ledger...

    If anything, it would probably start out coming across as a bit of a pervert, because why else would humans devote so much of their information production to one subject like that? :p Imagine an AI that thought real life worked like porn-movie logic...

    Well, when humans get an idea into their heads...

    And neither of them seem the sort to carry on that sort of silliness.

    ...Ah, the 90's, coming out of a decade when Japan conquering the world through corporate methods was a lingering fear borne of the 80's. On the upside, it gave us things like Cyberpunk RPGs, comics and movies... Remember the Machine Man Limited series set in 2020? Or Marvel 2099?

    "Too much bowing and humble 'This one believes...' for my tastes, for a start..."

    That's quite a shakeup... But, given the Sheeda invasion, I could believe something like that coming out of an unsettled zeitgeist... Wonder if he can check in with Dream?

    No doubt the Greek gods would remember the rise of their 'siblings'. Though I doubt it was quite as faltering as it is here.

    The inevitable urge of the young and unsure deity to overturn their predecessors...

    Concerned about something like a warp storm, OL? Thankfully the Earth's thaumic sphere is a lot more stable than the Immaterium. No need to worry about a group causing a Negative Space Wedgie through, uh... Let's go with 'enthusiastic recreational activities'?

    ...OH, there's a scary though. A literal God-Machine... ;) Because, you know, that's what some Imperial humans call the giant walking weapons platforms known as Titans...

    Oooh, boy. Good thing this isn't one of those, then...

    Boy, now that's an interesting conversation to have with someone like Zatarra.

    Yet more things for the to-do list. At least these are immediate, high-priority jobs.

    Though I'd understand if they were willing to put things off for a bit... What with not-even-gods-know-what is going on...

    He's a God, not a miracle-worker, Earl. He'd have to take some time to think about it, after all...

    "...Figuratively speakin', ah course." Heh, that should make for some interesting dreams...

    Nothing like a good puzzle to get the old thinking muscle working, eh? Hephaestus is going to be a little sore he's missing out... But then, he's probably busy with the 'new worshippers' thing involved in making meta-materials.

    Well... That was a fascinating little discussion.There's definitely some implications involved all round, both good and bad, in the possible causes they thought of... On the other hand, with a little luck, they're relatively easy to check. Just a matter of Dream being in a good mood (and if it's not Morpheus, that's a lot more likely...)
     
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