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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Discussion in 'Creative Writing' started by Mr Zoat, Jan 27, 2019.

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  1. Khornelius

    Khornelius Getting out there.

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    I’m Texan, never heard either of these idioms. But after a quick google search to learn what they mean I know what y’all are talking about. We tend to use the expression ‘making a mountain out of a mole hill’ as a reference to someone exaggerating the seriousness of situation out of proportion.
     
  2. Cuchulin

    Cuchulin Versed in the lewd.

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    I've heard and used making a mountain out of a mole hill.
     
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  3. AverusBlack

    AverusBlack AKA Sky

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    "Making a .45 out of a .22"?

    That's how Texans say it, right?
     
  4. Cuchulin

    Cuchulin Versed in the lewd.

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    LOL!!
     
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  5. Threadmarks: Negetiations (part 7)
    Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    8th August 2012
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    "We… Had.. reports.. that you had died."

    The gyuanite diplomatic attaché looks at me nervously. I suppose that from his point of view I'm a combination president/pope/anti-matter bomb, but I'm not really used to being treated in that way. Other Orange Lanterns being deferential, sure. I'm their superior, and the master of a skill they are learning. My fellow superheroes on Earth are people I've worked with or actual friends. This is strange and I'm not sure that I like it.

    "Oh? How?"

    "We.. are not a party to your war with the Reach, but we do try to maintain a degree of awareness of its course. We have no desire to send merchant convoys into systems in dispute."

    "No, I meant, how am I supposed to have died?"

    "I… I doubt that it matters; you're clearly alive."

    "Alive now. I've died twice before."

    "Oh? Oh." The attaché calms down noticeably. "Mind recordings dubbed onto a cloned body? We're aware of some societies using that technique. I always thought that it would promote stagnation, but I suppose that the loss of a vital individual during a war would be damaging enough that it would be worth doing it anyway."

    I shake my head.

    "I'm familiar with the technique. There's a Terminan lawyer on my homeworld, and his people clone anyone who dies of unnatural causes. But no. I can encode my consciousness on my soul. All I need is either a supporting medium or a host body and I'm fine. Organic death just isn't that big a deal for me."

    His face goes slightly purple. Worried confusion.

    "I don't.. think I understand..?"

    "A humanoid's consciousness lies in the electrical potentials of their neural network, right?"

    "That's-. That sounds like an oversimplification, but… Yes, I understand what you mean."

    "But there's nothing inherently special about electrical potentials, is there? There are few species with purely chemical neural networks, a few with exotic energy networks…"

    I pull back, reducing the importance of my physical form and increasing my presence in the orange light. It's a little like when the Ophidian and I switched from my human body to her snake body when we were joined, though I'm still myself. I look down at my translucent form, and then up at the attaché.

    "See? I can transubstantiate at will."

    I shift back into the material as the attaché-.

    "Are you alright?"

    "Ah-. Ah-. A-."

    "Do you require medical attention? If you can't speak, just want it and I'll-."

    "Nono, that's fine! Um. Please remain mundane while you are visiting our world."

    "Alright. I mean, subject to normal self-defence exemptions, sure. Is there some sort of cultural sensitivity I should know about? Because I've been reading your tourist information brochure and I didn't see anything..?"

    "People think of Lantern constructs as something they attack with. If people saw you like that it might inadvertently cause.. confusion."

    "Oh." I nod. "I suppose that makes sense. Now, about me meeting with officials in your government?"

    "Yes, several officials are clearing their schedules and we should be able to have a preliminary meeting with you a little while after you arrive. You.. are.. aware that there is a Reach trade mission on Yuna?"

    "I was planning on boiling the water anyway."

    "I'm sorry, I don't think that translated."

    "When you're in the wilderness and you're not sure whether the local stream is safe to drink from or not, you can boil it to remove impurities and collect the steam to drink. I'm implying that the Reach would contaminate the drinking water."

    "We have very thorough safety procedures for publically-consumable water sources."

    "You wouldn't be the first people to have said that."

    "We are aware of the Reach's habits. Be assured that they and their thralls are monitored closely."

    "Or that. But on your heads be it."

    "To be clear: while we certainly do not expect you to like each other, violent hostility will not be permitted."

    "Don't worry: Clarissi Dox has given me clear orders in that regard. Nothing more cutting than a quip, unless they start it."

    "We would prefer it if you kept away from them entirely. We find that two belligerent groups meeting generally results in hostilities and we are eager to avoid that."

    "If you insist. I think it would be a wasted opportunity, though. I rarely get to meet Reach citizens, and I've never done so somewhere I could have a conversation with one."

    "I really think it would be best."

    "Alright then. Who will I be meeting?"

    "Initially… It.. really depends on the purpose of your visit?"

    "I.. thought that was obvious, but if you want a summary: Reach bad. N.E.M.O. good."

    I grin idiotically for a moment-

    "Friends?"

    -and then regain my normal facial expression.

    "So, obviously, military and trade policy, and interstellar relations. It's not at all surprising that your government has concerns about a major military alliance appearing on your metaphorical doorstep, and I'll do what I can to allay them."

    "We can get people from the Diplomatic Affairs Office, the Defence Force Office and the Trade Commission to meet with you. They can convey the concerns of their superiors and then feed back to them with your responses."

    "That's… Fine for a first meeting, but I'm going to have to meet with someone senior once we've got the general shape of an agreement thrashed out."

    "That will rather depend on how the earlier meetings go."

    "Ah. Alright." I shrug. "I'd have thought that your government would at least want some kind of positive-sounding joint statement to steady the markets, but I'm sure that you know your people better than I do."

    At the moment, at least.

    "Thank you." He bows. "I will convey this to my superiors. I hope that you have a peaceful and productive visit."
     
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  6. gustyeagle

    gustyeagle Know what you're doing yet?

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    Got to love the random non sequiturs.
     
  7. BlueMangoAdea

    BlueMangoAdea Alive. For now.

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    Lmao. Imagine asking Paul to be mundane.
     
  8. SemiAnarchist

    SemiAnarchist I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    Paul: "Take me to your leaders."
     
  9. Idkusername

    Idkusername Versed in the lewd.

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    I feel like Paul has been stealthily trying to find a catchphrase, but none of them seem to quite work.
     
  10. Darko

    Darko Well worn.

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    Reports of his death were greatly exaggerated.

    Well, he did die, but came back.

    And now he's summoned Murphy.
     
  11. Khornelius

    Khornelius Getting out there.

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    I’ve never heard this idiom before. At least not from my family, but it makes a lot of sense though.
     
  12. Handlewithcare

    Handlewithcare I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    Heh, the Reach actually taught Paul a new trick.

    I feel for that poor customs official. Anyone having to deal with Paul in an official capacity should automatically get a promotion.
     
  13. Chojin Patriarch

    Chojin Patriarch Veteran Lurker

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    Yes, yes. He already has the frequent mortality discount card with the Grim Reaper. What the freebie is is best left to the imagination...

    Maybe if you weren't so passively scary and strange, people might not spread word that you are. But no, you come back from the dead, leave bizarre social impressions and casually flit about the galaxy. It's hard for people to not hear weird rumours...

    Indeed, would the Reach allow word to spread that they used a substance as strange and dangerous as Qwa-Matter? Or are they simply claiming he was killed by an anti-matter bomb or something?

    OL, not making your reputation any less strange here.

    So close, yet so far. I mean, it's hardly an uncommon technique at higher levels of technology.

    Fascinating colour displays. Green for.. nervousness? Purple for confusion... Quite the unusual physiology...

    That being the thing that gets scanned and cloned via the aforementioned mind uploads. With you so far.

    Though how you'd recreate such from physical scans might be an issue.

    ...Oh, boy. That's a big trick. In theory, if you could work the same change on Construct Lanterns...

    I'd say he looks like he's seen a ghost? :p

    Ah, OL. That pleasant obliviousness still gets a laugh now and again.

    To be fair, do the Gyuanites get any Lantern visitors? Being on the Reach periphery, they'd likely be under GLC jurisdiction until they actually join the Reach... Do the local Sector Lanterns simply not come here?

    Ah, Any Lantern visits would usually be police pursuits, I guess. And 'confusion'? Quite the understatement, I think...

    Not that you'd be drinking local water anyway. I mean, even if the ring cleaned out any local infections... There'd probably still be a hint of taste in there...

    Goes a bit past implying when you have to say it outright. :rolleyes: Joy of having to explain the joke...

    And they probably won't be the last... Until the war's over, anyway.

    What's the bet they're so busy watching the flunkies they can see, they missed the ones they couldn't? Sleeper agents, covert teams, local sympathisers... So many ways to infect the planet...

    Though I suspect he gave you latitude in finishing any fight they start.

    Well, any conversation besides them yelling, "Die!" And OL replying, "After you." Could be an amusing chance to meet some recurring Reach diplomat characters...

    Besides not the Reach delegation?

    Do you need hand-puppets? I'm definitely getting the feeling the Gyuanites are not good at dealing with the unexpected...

    There we go again with the bizarre statements, OL. This is why people think you're odd.

    So, going to form a committee to oversee the diplomatic committee? Wonder if they'll want to meet separately or all together?

    ...Well, not leading off on a friendly footing, then? I foresee obstruction after obstruction on this case.

    Will you look at that? They don't even need me to taunt Murphy on this one. :V

    I'm getting a funny feeling OL and company will get shuffled from subcommittee to branch office to under-secretaries before they really get anything done. A bureaucratic case of 'out of sight, out of mind', perhaps? At any rate, let's hope the Reach delegates decide to throw the first punch. Keep N.E.M.O's hands clean, and all that. But that's still a few days off yet...
     
  14. Darko

    Darko Well worn.

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    Assuming the people of the galaxy knew what the stuff is and why they should fear it.

    Now I'm picturing a Reach version of Londo Molari.

    Imperialistic bastard with a heart of gold.

    His actions also kinda leave that impression.

    But we know you wanted to.
     
  15. Vaermina

    Vaermina Versed in the lewd.

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    Watching Paragon attempt diplomacy is like watching a train wreck...
     
  16. NightmareWarden

    NightmareWarden Not too sore, are you?

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    Reminder that one of Renegade-Paul (Grayven)’s delightful catch phrases is “Let Joy be unbound, for I am/have _____!” Though he is usually interrupted before he can finish. It makes me grin every single time.


    Actually, Mister Zoat is that a reference to something? Perhaps Doctor Who or another work I’m too uncultured to appreciate?
     
  17. moralrelativity

    moralrelativity Recovering pendant.

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    Now this... this is weird even for Paul. Eris would be pleased.
     
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  18. Cuchulin

    Cuchulin Versed in the lewd.

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    As Mark Twain once said "The reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated." Which is also something that the late great Stan Lee might have said.
     
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  19. AverusBlack

    AverusBlack AKA Sky

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    Jean-Luc Picard pulled that line too. It's always the juggernauts saying it, isn't it?
     
  20. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    If it was another work, I'm not sure I'd be allowed to tell you.

    But not as far as I remember.
     
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  21. Ngamer11

    Ngamer11 I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    How useful is this trick, besides possibly giving atheistic aliens a pseudo-religious experience? Also, I love how Paul just casually reveals in-universe and to us his ability to transubstantiate.
     
  22. m_d

    m_d Fascinated by storytelling

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    I wouldn't say that I have enough data on their government and how it operates to assign even that high of an indication that this is what they are doing. Other alternatives that I would consider at least as likely:

    1) They're between two powerful forces, both of whom have strong competencies in changing people's desires, albeit through different means. They may consider it prudent to keep decision makers' direct contact with those forces representatives to a minimum while they evaluate and negotiate through go-betweens whose ability to make formal agreements can be limited. Maybe they're more concerned about shenanigans from one than the other, but they also may not want to give a strong appearance of favouring one over another at this point so as not to cause problems with their relationships with the other party that could result in escalation which could have been avoided.

    2) They could be one of the many forms of polity in which the substantive discussions and negotiations are done by the professionals in the civil service, not their notional bosses. The minister, or whoever, may have the final sign off once the details have been worked out, but may not actually really understand what's being agreed to, and that's not necessarily their job. There are lots of governments which operate this way, for various reasons, some of which are quite practical.

    3) A variant on 1 in which the senior people want to get a better idea of who these representatives are and how they operate culturally before opening more formal talks (I don't know that the Corps has done the sort of groundwork that many government or government-like agencies usually do in advance of a visit by someone of OL's seniority in terms of setting of the agenda, the terms of the questions under negotiation, protocol, etc... They may have, but I didn't get that impression from the type of briefing that OL got and the way that the interaction in this chapter went, though that may be an artifact of the story/medium's format). The people they send for the initial meeting(s) may be there to do the quick and dirty version of the above so that they can brief the people to come after (and so that they can actually prepare for meeting the sort of person they are meeting with) so that they can minimize the involvement of senior officials in the sorts of interpersonal gaffes that can come in surprise cross-cultural meetings. If lower authority people make them first, the weight and stakes of the mistakes can be much lower, for various reasons, which again, I can't narrow down, not knowing enough about Gyuanite cultural mores.

    lies _in_

    And yes, drastic oversimplification. At least in terrestrial animals there are so many non-neural network aspects to personality (by most commonly understood definitions of both of those terms, anyway). e.g.: hormone production and regulation (see: changes in horses, cats, dogs etc... after gelding/spaying/neutering), presence/absence of chronic pain, differences in how the GI tract processes food and hence increases or decreases availability of and ratios of substances in the body that can inhibit or promote various biochemical signalling chains, hormonal and otherwise, ditto the liver and kidneys, diet too, and on and on.
     
  23. BlueMangoAdea

    BlueMangoAdea Alive. For now.

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    Didn't Doctor Mist do something similar? Can't remember, going to search story only.

    Edit:
    OL himself this something similar. I still don't know what this does. Mr Zoat?

    Edit2:
    My current guess is that this allows him to channel more power, like Dr. Balewa is doing.
     
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  24. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    Thank you, corrected.
     
  25. Whiteeyes

    Whiteeyes Non Breeding Bunny

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    Sorry OL, but you're probably not going to meet anyone who is high ranking for about three MONTHS. You're dealing with diplomacy now, and it is a very slow process. Normally for somebody of your rank minor diplomats would have spent the last few months setting things up for your visit which would have been largely hammering out the last few details (whoch could honestly still take weeks depending on the details) and then having a signing ceremony.

    So basically unless plot happens this is going to be a very long process.
     
  26. Stsword

    Stsword I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    He's turning himself into an avarice construct here.

    I'm not sure how much is instinctive and how much would need to be learned but- He'd be as strong and tough as one of his constructs, and he'd be able to utilize anything he can do with a ring with his own internal energy. Edit: Including shapeshifting, just as a lantern can shape their constructs anyway they like.
     
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  27. Wivk

    Wivk Your first time is always over so quickly, isn't it?

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    No no that isn't the same at all. When you become ethereal you are moving your physical matter to another plane of existence, the ethereal plane, that overlaps basically the entirety of the prime material plane, which is what we call the normal physical world. Becoming ethereal is either identical or incredibly similar to what martians do that puts them out of phase with physical reality, letting vibrating packets of their physical matter pass harmlessly through other vibrating packets of physical matter as long as they vibrate at a different frequency.

    Transubstantiation isn't the same at all because your physical form isn't moved elsewhere or vibrating correctly to dodge between other particles, it is transformed into magical or spiritual energy of the sort that makes up a soul. Its closer to astral projection than becoming ethereal, like when the sorcerer supreme punches your soul out and you can wander around as a ghost.

    When most people astrally project themselves their body stays exactly where it is, unmoving and insensate, connected to their soul form by a microscopic silver strand coming from their third eye. Both are weaknesses that could be exploited. Killing the body or severing the strand leave you as a powerless ghost trapped outside of physical reality. So either turning your body directly into a soul and bringing it with you, or turning your soul directly into a body and coming back, are stupid over powered on their own, being able to do both is our typcial levels of absurd from this fic that we are accustomed to.
     
  28. BlueMangoAdea

    BlueMangoAdea Alive. For now.

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    I mean, OL observed what Dr. Mist did as “transubstantiation” according to the acual text, and copied that, in the chapter the quotes come from. There’s no evidence that your definitions are actually correct.
     
  29. Pinklestia

    Pinklestia Experienced.

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    Trashed means discarded in the best meaning possible so I don't think that's the word you wanted to use there
     
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    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    I guess.. that's why.. I didn't, then?
     
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