With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Unless the story has changed since I last heard all the details it was just a bunch of unicorns, including Star Swirl The Bearded, that did it every day before Luna and Celestia took over, which would make the rings just another of the many, many magical artifacts seemingly designed just to ruin people's days that exist in MLP.

 

No. And as a pegasus pony, she wouldn't be able to cast it anyway. She just needs an archmage to cast it.

That was the Hearthwarming story, but it might not be historically accurate.

 

I would put more stock in the pre-Celestia artifact. Someone had to control the sun before Celestia was around and this may have been there attempt to automate the process rather then use the kid-friendly, Unicorn version of human sacrifice. Which is kinda strange since the whole place reminds me of Aztecs buildings.

Personally never understood the threat of 800 years of Sweltering Heat. I’m Texan, I live in Texas, sweltering heat describes 10/12 months of the year, with the last 2 months, fluctuating weekly between freezing cold or more sweltering heat.

While that’s true, this is essential a Christmas story that includes daily human sacrifice. I will acknowledge that they wouldn’t be the first civilization that tried to control the sun. But the fact that the human sacrifice is still apart of the story even after it’s been altered through the years maybe the grain of truth in a made up story.

 

It's funny, even though I read a 2 million word MLP fanfic in a little over a week last month, I still sort of agree that there's some mood whiplash with the actual Pony world scenes. Didn't feel like that when it was just Sunset, and when it's full arcs there it's also fine, but just one off chapters feel a little weird sometimes.

 

Or maybe no one controlled the sun before Celestia came along and it functioned like the one in our world, but then Discord did something to it and Celestia needed to control it.

Two words: Global Warming.

And all the things that it brings with it, like icecaps melting, environmental damage, extinction of animal species, disease etc.

 

If you see Dream himself being lazy under a tree is not an ordinary tree.

Even if it is the new Dream aka his son.

 

Daniel, the 'new Dream', is alive and still human in this story.

 

Mr Zoat, that part should be under July 5.

 

That’s a fair point, if all the ice on Earth melted and never refrozen then about 80% of Texas would be under water again. We’re a stubborn lot but I don’t think I need to explain the futility in firing buckshot into the ocean to stop it from rising.

I hadn’t considered the environmental impacted on plants and animals. I guess I’m to used to the robustness of cacti, weeds, and livestock.

Admittedly I don’t quite get the disease part.

 

Global warming= more mosquitoes, more mosquitoes more of mosquito driven diseases like malaria and dengu fever.

Probably other factors too, but that's the simple version.

 

High temperatures speed the process of rotting, and also provides optimal conditions for bacterial reproduction.

Also as previously mentioned, all those dead things make for many corpses. Being near a corpse is obviously not great.

 

First would be mass migration from the coasts, which would carry conflict and disease with it.

 

Thank you, corrected.

 

Though they do have gods that may do that, but those gods aren't necessarily required for the sun and moons to move, while on Wilson they are.

'thing they put'

'then Princess Celestia'

 

Man, I really should go back and rewatch MLP. Been way too long since I saw it, and I never even finished the show in the first place.

'one'

'then'

 

I get that it's supposed to be a surprise, but maybe you should discuss this with someone beforehoof?

Celestia is already on edge around Grayven as is...

 

Man I hope Renegade meets Ahuizotl who explains why he does what he does, and the whole Sun for 800 years was actually a desperate last ditch protocol thing.

heck I would actually think Renegade might (rightfully)assume the reason Ahuizotl does what he does is because it’s his JOB. Because that seems like something they would assume.

 

I see what you did there.

 

Totally agree. This IS going to go off the rails, isn't it?

 

I know it was not touched on during the show, but we know Luna can handle the sun herself.
I would not be surprised if Celestia begged Luna's help to sleep in within a couple weeks of her return.

 

Thank you, corrected.

I stopped watching when that school nonsense started.

 

Grayven really shouldn't be surprised that someone wanted to come up with an alternative to Equestria having complete control over the course of the sun.

 

Your resilience might not prevent you from tasting soap, but your power ring should (I remember Paragon making things taste like blackcurrant to himself), unless the resilience means he can't even do that with his ring (which seems a bit unfair- the ring is a tool of his so it should be subordinate to his desires and drives, especially once Hinon unlocked the propriety function).

 

I don't remember if she did that either renegade, but even if she did it may not matter what his desires are since his divine nature would automatically resist any changes.

 

What happened with the Tree?!

Could point out she's basically just stealing artifacts and talk about the history of how museums got started based on theft.

Now tell her about Galaxies and show her a model if the milky way! And be sure to point out that tiny insignificant glowy dot is the entire Sol System in comparison!

 

It treed on him.

Wouldn't have the same effect. She doesn't have a preconceived notion of how a galaxy should behave.

Also, does anyone know what G1 episode the soap thing comes from? I spent a little while trying to locate it but got nowhere.

 

She did do that to Renegade as well, I believe soon after she saw his orchestration of the public execution of the First Citadelian on Tamaran by the princesses.

Edit: scene in question:

I know his divine nature is what prevents things like permanent boosts from Velocity 9 and other stuff, but that's fairly clearly a Watsonian justification for the Doylist motivation to keep him (relatively) underpowered. Intelligently-used superspeed would be a game-changer in a lot of contexts, though of course not all (I wonder what Paragon or a Paul would have done if their original power was the Flash powerset instead of a power ring, actually).

If something is fairly clearly a net boost/improvement to you and something within your complete control, I think you could easily argue that it's metaphysically compatible with a divine nature of Conquest. It's not like Conquest is a static or one-dimensional concept either, as shown most prominently by all the Grayven v. Renegade fights and their different applications of the domain.

 

I think I remember the Renegade noting that Velocity 9's effects grew shorter each time he used it. It's possible that Velocity 9 and other temporary serums do nothing to him now.

 

He's not joking, either. Pre-industrial soap had some nasty stuff in it. Though, if he didn't want to taste it, his Orange Ring could handle it for him... Briefly? Or has he simply become so accustomed to using his New God abilities he doesn't even think of using the Power Rings for something that mundane? How far he's fallen...

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Well, they were thorough, if nothing else?

I suppose the Renegade does have high standards for his fortresses.

Well, so much for them. I doubt much of anything would be intact after that much rock fell on it.

Yes, very heroic of you.

Adrenaline's a heck of a drug, huh?

...So, the rings weren't even actually gold. Merely plated. I suppose that explains how they could lift them, since a gold object of the size shown would likely have folded under its own considerable weight.

Maybe it was a modular thing? Or some kind of cumulative bonus...

...I'm honestly surprised Ponies even have a concept of Archaeology. Though I suppose there's bound to be some-Ponies interested in the distant past.

Or could it just have been some measure of hyperbole on Ahuizotl's part...

Take one guess...

Into very, very small pieces, I would expect... Then again, the villains survived the collapse... I know, Kid's show, but still...

Well, the forces involved in a Sonic Rainboom might be quite considerable... Though not that easy to perform inside a building...

Kind of rare to actually see a Load-Bearing Artifact...

A nice theory, but how to test it? I doubt even Sunset or Twilight could pick up lingering traces in the stones... Well, maybe Twilight could.

Such is the nature of inadvertently Geocentric planetary systems. Though... Does the system even have other planets?

"Much tidier overall, if you ask me." I assume the system is considerably scaled down, like an orrery. Might be hard to see marbles hundreds of feet from a basketball...

I mean, it's not that hard. Big heavy thing makes smaller, less heavy things move around it in a near-eternal fall.

To be fair, I suspect when the Equestrians first arrived in the lands they now occupy, the weather was flat-out cataclysmic... Like, hourly tornados, that sort of thing.

It's called Physics. You know, the thing you make a mockery of simply by flying.

Well, perhaps she's having trouble with the sheer scale of things. Or maybe it was the planet fascinating her. Another world... With completely different weather? Her 'special talent' may well have been drooling in her subconscious.

Heh, always prepared, eh, Renegade? Given the reactions the last time he blew some Pony minds, I'm not surprised.

...Good question.

What's destroyed can be rebuilt. Isn't that basically the Renegade's whole MO? Break the thing, then fix it more to his liking? Unlike the paragon, who tries to fix things while they're still running.

Eh, if there's no rolling boulder, collapsing ceiling or pit traps, it's not a real dungeon.

Which smacks of either poor sense or good sense on the creator's part. Either they never considered someone might want to shut it down that way, or they rigged it to fail-deadly if interfered with by someone other than themselves...

And now I'm picturing that 'Pop-Team Epic!' meme of 'Aah, so it's like that, huh? (Totally doesn't get it...)'. It's all flying over her head, but doing something for Celestia? That she can get behind.

Well, it's certainly starting off with good intentions. Just remember to actually check with Celestia about this, because you know what's paved with good intentions... I get the feeling Ahuizotl will be very interested in the interlopers in his territory, though. Could result in a meeting later that lets him explain things. At any rate, at least we'll be back to OL tomorrow. Maybe we'll see what's been happening with Superman and the Kants