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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

I am pretty sure that the comic with the freedom fighters is still ongoing.

And as to the surname question I was wondering when we will discover it?
If anyone on this site knows Zoats surname could you please post it, he only confirmed that his name is Paul?

Coda could you tell us what his surname is?
 
I actually wish they left Earth 10 alone. From what I can tell, it's leading up to the Freedom Fighters being victorious. Which I just think defeats the purpose of even having those kinds of bad universes. The point is that evil won there. You don't just go and say, "Just kidding!"

Especially when it's already too late for all the groups that got genocided.

As for Hitler sticking around despite his health? Probably the reverse-engineered Kryptonian super science. Though I'll also point out that Hitler wasn't just some random junkie sticking whatever he could in a syringe. What really happened is he had an absolutely bonkers personal physician who gave him shit like cocaine eye drops, or gave him what he called Vitamultin but was really just meth.

Kryptonian medical technology probably reversed the damage Morell did to him, and once he had super medicine he probably didn't bother with Morell's services any longer.

Hmm. Given how quickly they'd have had to reverse-engineer that tech to win the war . . . Reinhard Heydrich might have survived, too. That's actually kind of scary. Heydrich was frighteningly effective and competent. So much so that it frightened the Allies. Which is why they went out of their way to have him assassinated.
 
I think getting fan favorites like Impulse and teh blue beetle isn't just a pipe dream now even-
Yeah, it's a pipe dream.
What did the renegade do to Shayera 50 aside from curing her, did he give her any powers?
He undid the results of months of inactivity, no.
Will the justice league that defeated the Lords find out about what happened to them?
Can't.. think of any reason why they would.
Will we see future episodes with Peter Wynne?
He will feature in at least two episodes.
What year will the SI discover his surname?
1983, technically.
earth 10 is an abomination. I wonder if the freedom fighters won in the actual comic?
Define 'won'. In Mastermen the Freedom Fighters were pretty much just ideologically motivated terrorists, attacking everyone and everything in a world that had more or less accepted National Socialism and where the purges were three generations ago. For example, they blew up Overgirl's memorial service and only Blitz prevented massive civilian casualties, then later they dropped a space station on Metropolis and killed everyone who lived there. In Freedom Fighters on the other hand they're portrayed as freeing an occupied America from Nazi oppression, and it's painfully clear that for some reason the Nazis never made any attempt at establishing a puppet government or indoctrinating the population. That series hasn't finished, but it's pretty clear that they're going to win.

Which brings me onto V for Vendetta. Something that annoys me about it is that while it's framed as a fight between fascism and anarchism, we don't actually get a solid ideological case for fascism at any point. Chancellor Susan starts making one, and gets to the end of a page before he starts masturbating over his computer. We never get enough information to know whether his assertion that rigid social controls were the only way for the country to survive the nuclear war was correct, and the book ends before we get a chance to see the negative results of V's actions. Like mass looting, starvation and warlordism.
I am pretty sure that the comic with the freedom fighters is still ongoing.

And as to the surname question I was wondering when we will discover it?
If anyone on this site knows Zoats surname could you please post it, he only confirmed that his name is Paul?

Coda could you tell us what his surname is?
Stop being lazy. Work it out yourself, if you can, or wait until the end of the story when the character says it.
 
Yeah, it's a pipe dream.

He undid the results of months of inactivity, no.

Can't.. think of any reason why they would.

He will feature in at least two episodes.

1983, technically.

Define 'won'. In Mastermen the Freedom Fighters were pretty much just ideologically motivated terrorists, attacking everyone and everything in a world that had more or less accepted National Socialism and where the purges were three generations ago. For example, they blew up Overgirl's memorial service and only Blitz prevented massive civilian casualties, then later they dropped a space station on Metropolis and killed everyone who lived there. In Freedom Fighters on the other hand they're portrayed as freeing an occupied America from Nazi oppression, and it's painfully clear that for some reason the Nazis never made any attempt at establishing a puppet government or indoctrinating the population. That series hasn't finished, but it's pretty clear that they're going to win.

Which brings me onto V for Vendetta. Something that annoys me about it is that while it's framed as a fight between fascism and anarchism, we don't actually get a solid ideological case for fascism at any point. Chancellor Susan starts making one, and gets to the end of a page before he starts masturbating over his computer. We never get enough information to know whether his assertion that rigid social controls were the only way for the country to survive the nuclear war was correct, and the book ends before we get a chance to see the negative results of V's actions. Like mass looting, starvation and warlordism.

Stop being lazy. Work it out yourself, if you can, or wait until the end of the story when the character says it.

What do you have against blue beetle and impulse?
 
I'm looking forward to MC trying to explain why calling someone 'black' in Spanish is significantly more offensive than doing the same in English without having to do a massive social/language history exposition.

Especially since it's not universal and in some languages it's 'negro' that's socially acceptable, while 'black' is insulting to various degrees.
Actually... Is she speaking English? If so, why? This might be an issue with translation, actually. For example, in Russian "негр" (negr) is not considered offensive as a description of the race. If she's speaking in (a variant of) german... Well, I don't know german, would it actually be offensive?
 
If she's speaking in (a variant of) german... Well, I don't know german, would it actually be offensive?
Yes it would be quiet offensive in modern times, though there aren't many polite ways to refer to someone's skin color in German, black would be the least offensive term.

But 'Neger' the word Overgirl likely used isn't acceptable at all and we even changed the names of a chocolate sweet from Negerkuss to Schokokuss because of the implication of the word.
 
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What do you have against blue beetle and impulse?


They can't happen because the plot that leads to them got derailed. Zoat explained years ago (when the derailment had just happened) that he couldn't think of a reasonable and logical way to have either of them without force feeding the idiot ball... You can probably guess what event has been derailed to hell and changed canon.
 
They can't happen because the plot that leads to them got derailed. Zoat explained years ago (when the derailment had just happened) that he couldn't think of a reasonable and logical way to have either of them without force feeding the idiot ball... You can probably guess what event has been derailed to hell and changed canon.
Honestly, I have never watched Young Justice. I've been meaning to but, it would require I subscribe to the DC Universe service (which is a decent deal). It is still a few months out of rotation before I will subscribe. I have to finish the current season of My Hero Achidamia before I move onto the next service. Next year, I am waiting till most of the season is dubbed to English before resubscribing.

I ain't no pirate, legal stream are all I will do.
 
Actually... Is she speaking English? If so, why? This might be an issue with translation, actually. For example, in Russian "негр" (negr) is not considered offensive as a description of the race. If she's speaking in (a variant of) german... Well, I don't know german, would it actually be offensive?
It depends on how the ring is translating it. Because from how it's been described throughout the story I'm inclined to believe it translates meaning more than a literal translation. If she was simply saying the color "black" it would have probably translated as "black."

The fact that it translated to an offensive term in the language it was translated to means she probably meant it that way.
 
If anyone on this site knows Zoats surname could you please post it, he only confirmed that his name is Paul?

Coda could you tell us what his surname is?

Uh...is there a particular reason that you're trying to basically partially Dox Zoat?

Because, you know, that's like....rude as fuck for one, and slightly unethical for the other.

If Zoat wanted it known, he would, you know, just come out and say it. If he wanted it hidden, he'd put it in the FAQ.

Seriously, I'm not entirely sure if you're breaking a rule, but its gotta be close.
 
Would Overgirl even know that she's using an offensive term? If I recall correctly "negro" was considered the politically correct term up to the 1960's in the United States, even civil rights leaders like W.E.B Du Bois and Martin Luther King used it. It might be that she is using the politically neutral term that was last used for African-Americans, just that the term is very out of date since said race went extinct before she was even born.

Edit : Given the above, that momentary frown might be more confusion or curiosity than anything. Seeing Lantern Stewart must be like seeing a Tasmanian Tiger for her, and who knows, might not start frothing at the mouth at seeing him, no need for the state to encourage hatred of people that no longer exist, reason why the modern Egyptian state doesn't have a visceral disgust for Hittites.
 
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Uh...is there a particular reason that you're trying to basically partially Dox Zoat?

Because, you know, that's like....rude as fuck for one, and slightly unethical for the other.

If Zoat wanted it known, he would, you know, just come out and say it. If he wanted it hidden, he'd put it in the FAQ.

Seriously, I'm not entirely sure if you're breaking a rule, but its gotta be close.
I'm fine with people trying to guess my name. If I wasn't, then I wouldn't have used my real first name or home town in the story. What I'm not okay is people being lazy about finding out.
Would Overgirl even know that she's using an offensive term? If I recall correctly "negro" was considered the politically correct term up to the 1960's in the United States, even civil rights leaders like W.E.B Du Bois and Martin Luther King used it. It might be that she is using the politically neutral term that was last used for African-Americans, just that the term is very out of date since said race went extinct before she was even born.

Edit : Given the above, that momentary frown might be more confusion or curiosity than anything. Seeing Lantern Stewart must be like seeing a Tasmanian Tiger for her, and who knows, might not start frothing at the mouth at seeing him, no need for the state to encourage hatred of people that no longer exist, reason why the modern Egyptian state doesn't have a visceral disgust for Hittites.
She was using a mildly offensive term out of surprise, in German.
 
I'm fine with people trying to guess my name. If I wasn't, then I wouldn't have used my real first name or home town in the story. What I'm not okay is people being lazy about finding out.

She was using a mildly offensive term out of surprise, in German.
Oh, alright then, thanks for the clarification.
 
Is this a reference to Teth Adom, Icon, Doctor Mist or some alternate-version of Superman?

Yes.

Whatever happened with DC wanting to make Superman Jewish anyway?

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Maybe we are going to have a criss of the infinite Pauls?

I already wrote something about that ages ago but it involved a crazy Dark Lantern Paul instead. And it was more about Black Laterns lead by a [DEATH] powered [PAUL] killing the multiverse one universe at a time. Sadly I never finished it. Black Latern Paul might have been the antimatter universe one and he literally could only exist because the Black ring prevented the whole matter + antimatter : Bad news thing.

Then later [DEATH] took advantage of his lack of soul to turn him into the perfect vessel but something went wrong.
 
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I was reading through this entire fic again and i got to the part where Lois is with Kal and Paul transporting the moon with zod on it and I was wondering if anyone has any sources on how exactly Kryptonian society functioned, like what was their government look like? was it democratic etc.
 
I was reading through this entire fic again and i got to the part where Lois is with Kal and Paul transporting the moon with zod on it and I was wondering if anyone has any sources on how exactly Kryptonian society functioned, like what was their government look like? was it democratic etc.

There was a bit of discussion about it (mostly in relation to how criminality worked) in the Renegade episode where they were secretly excavating the Doomsday spaceship, but I don't remember if there were links to wikis or other sources included.
 
The thing about Wolfenstein: The New Order that makes me uncomfortable is that it is now an official part of the setting there actually was a secret society of Jews with access to all manner of advanced technology that they were hording to themselves. That technology was only released when the Nazis got hold of it, and they used it to make life for their people much better.

I mean, not all the people they executed, but for everyone else.

In this setting, that means that Hitler has done more good with kryptonian technology than Superman. More bad as well, but then, he is Hitler.

I'm guessing that Hitler got hold of some kryptonian medicine?

I don't know who TP is, but 'RQ' refers to Red Queen Jade.

the part of that point id debate, is, in setting, just how much- or how little- of that stolen technology was used for anything other then as a weapon-
the only one that comes to mind would be Uber Concrete,and given how OBVIOUSLY flawed it was (the black mold on steroids sabotage Set managed- after a few months, the formula literally starts poisoning everyone who spends time near anything made of UC)- and with the additional issue of it obviously being primarily intended for military construction, that would barely counts-

id normally...hesitantly agree with the point (if nothing else, some of the energy storage/generation tech that the power armor alone needed, would have had so many potential uses in.... EVERYWHERE- battery energy density is STILL one of the most frustrating technological brick-walls we're dealing with today- not even mentioning the biotech that went into BJ's new body, considering that literally -everything- that the resurgent germany was using was a knockoff, or directly derived from Daat yichud research)- the usage of the prime directive in star trek as an excuse to sit back and do nothing whilst people die/retroactive justification for withholding a vaccine for a disease that's wiping out an entire intelligent species, is one of my......issues with that setting....
if..the people who jacked the archives/vaults hadn't purely used it to kill- every fruit of Strass's Reverse-engineering program was entirely focused on building better, shinier weapons- and literally nothing else- and i HATE that, in-setting, they unintentionally made the group's point for them about why they burred their research...

the breakthroughs in robotics Strauss passed off as the fruits of his alleged genius?all of the revolutionary developments in the fields of physics, chemistry,metallurgy ,optics,MEDICAL SCIENCE- practical brain-machine interfaces built in the 60's/50's- that his various projects required, is literally NEVER shown being used for anything other then robotic combat units, or "better", shinier weapons- no... no automation for factories/farms/cleaning (MIGHT have been one-two simple cleaning robots?)- the off-planet bases were purely military facilities-for godssake they had a functioning Aerostat in Venus's atmosphere-alloys, coolant formula that made a soft-suit practical on the Venusian surface-and only built it to have a better bolthole for their pet shrieking lunatic/launch codes-
the new energy sources, engines-LITERAL antigravity devices- purely used to bolster the military (aside from -maybe- the laser-cutter in TNO)-and it looks like this pattern continues into the 70's/80's...

you look at all the required technology that, say- mass production of their panzerhounds/the vat-grown supersoldiers (like BJ's new body was), or the surgically-altered "mass production""ubersoldats" themselves (if nothing else, the alloys needed to make, for all intents and purposes, plate-steel armor that holds up against modern AP rounds/high-explosives AND is light enough to completely cover something that size with acceptable mobility),
would require the development of- even in Berlin, there's... no signs of derivatives being used for practical/non-violent use- they have all these viable robot frames, and they're still using slave labor to make concrete....

i mean, assuming we had the appropriate education/ a LOT of reference materials on hand,
we'd look at... well- something like the Power Suit (both military and civillian applications-non-invasive mind-machine interface with tactile feedback on grip/context surfaces at the minimum, closed-cycle re-breather with hours/DAYS of endurance with no tanks, effective protection from high-level radiation, all in something that, when folded, is the size of a pair of boots, limited inertial dampening given how well BJ survived falling well over a hundred meters....), or the microminiturised reactor that serves as the final optional upgrade for the LKW, or all the applications for the knowledge/equipment needed for a functional head transplant (the MMI technology/ability to regenerate/cause nervous tissue to grow/heal), or.. or the AI they'd been using since the 40's, and....

urgh. i think im GETTING just how frustrated how all these supervillains are making OL feel!
there's... so many things other then a gun that all of these things make possible...
 
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.... you know, one wonders how alt-hitler stayed in power for any amount of time post alt-war given how he spent the entire time literally destroying his entire body with massive doses of psychotropics/uppers/downers/literally anything he could fit into a syringe, and from what i recall, his habitual chemical abuse started some time before his idiocy caused things to start collapsing bad enough that it wasn't deniable-
or Goering would have made a power grab, or...
the power dynamics/disfunctional nature of the government, barring the unifying factor of a war, and without the stronghold/siege mentality directing eyes away from the rot/increasingly erratic behavior of the individuals at the helm...

maybe he got replaced with a doppelganger after being covertly disposed of?

like, body-double, or a Clone, or.....- what tech would they have had at the time that Earth Prime didnt?- i mean... when was Red Tornado Developed/Released, again?

i mean- the depiction of Hitler in Wolfenstein: TNC would, by the 60's, genuinely be a best-case for what his mental/physical condition would have been....

he'd have been a raving, outwardly repulsive lunatic incapable of HIDING it anymore by the 50's without the bullshit, easily reverse-engineered superscience the new-wolfenstein timeline nazi's lucked into stopping his.... well, everything from giving out from all the drugs- most people would TRY to stop at the point their veins started making brittle, crunching sounds during every injection.... unless the divergence point was... in the 20's or earlier, there's... so..many questions about the OTHER things that would HAVE to have changed for them to win...


(for context,part of why im so intensely scathing/dismissive of little Adolph's little club, is because... well- the Nazi "Aryan superman" ideal was HILARIOUSLY off base, not even taking into account the ACTUAL Aryan's-not the "blue eyed, blond haired" people they constantly mewled about inarticulately, were an Indian ethnicity, from memory-
i..have a tendency to ramble/rant on the subject-i find their level of stupidity/hypocracy almost physically painful,and my Grandfather Fought in WW2, have several friends and family who are Jewish, AND given i have HFA, id have been on the chopping block myself..
im editing this down to be comprehensible as i go, if its not coherent by the time i sleep ill wipe the whole thing in the morning if it isnt salvageable, leave an apology >.<)

Hitler/maybe Goering,memory is foggy,was on the record complaining that all their archeologists were discovering was more and more evidence that the ethnic group they claimed to be descended from were backwards by the standards of the time/lived in crude huts, literally-the level cognitive dissonance the higher ups who actually believed relied on to function was...actually impressive..)

a lot of this stuff is darkly hilarious when you start reading up- Adolph Galland's [the Reichmarshal of the Luftwaffe - not an ideological member of the nazi party, spent almost the entire war up in the air or planning-decent enough man, as unlikely as it might sound] autobiography mentions some of the really stupid stuff that went on behind the scenes with logistics/petty politics- think you can get the book, "Fighter General", on amazon- there were so many things stacked against Germany due to how unhinged their leadership had became, that im curious how they "won", even with the support of an indoctrinated Kryptonian...

i mean- did they..have him literally kill everyone capable of resistance in Europe/The Soviet union and so forth, when he was barely a child/ a teenager, regardless of the effects of local sunlight on his biology, did the Reich get utterly stomped and make a miraculous comeback decades later, or...

..... is it bad that the thing i feel is unrealistic about the "nazi DC" sub-setting is that Nazi Germany's government SURVIVED a "victory" without disintegrating into an orgy of backstabbing that took the country with them, not the half-assed retroviral engineering project actually working on one/two people out of a few thousand subjects? >.<
You know what could have happened? Hitler decided to raise a family. He had a child. That means he might not have started doing quite so many drugs. Tried to be respectable in person - if insane and a bit extreme. Stopped buying into most of his own Nazi propaganda despite the facts and used it as a tool. He also had tech that made military invasion much easier. Germany might have figured out how to transport soldiers to Russia while in Cryogenic pods. This saved up on food and supplies. He also got technology to keep the marching portion of the troops warm - for example, he could have used Superman to solve logistics issues by bringing food and shelter to the troops in Russia. This allowed them to take over most of it fairly quickly, leaving some people to hold the line fairly Far East, and using Superman to find and attack hidden military installations with X-ray vision. None of England would be safe for military officers anymore and only America would be left. However, with America sitting out most of the war, it didn't have any allies left over in Europe and entered a peace treaty with the Nazis while they consolidated power over their newly conquered territory - and later willingly joined.
 
Gammadion (part 8)
14th March
14:39 GMT -5


"Green Lantern John Stewart does indeed have dark brown skin."

"I… See."

"I assumed that you'd realised that whatever purges the Nazis-"

"National Socialists."

"-conducted on your Earth, they didn't happen here."

"No, the negros were not purged. They were expelled from Europe-. I have not… Interacted with one before." She looks a little unsettled. "They are allowed to occupy positions of authority here?"

"In a meritocratic society, if you can do the job then you can get the job. On this Earth, restricting someone on the grounds of their ethnic background is considered inappropriate."

"They're just-. Allowed-." She shudders, swallowing, then nods. "I understand."

I'm morbidly curious about how the Nazis put their racial policies into affect, but… Given that whatever I hear there's next to no chance that I'll head over to her Earth to remonstrate with the locals, I… There isn't much point in me enquiring.

"The Justice League has several black members. Their foremost magic user is a multi-millennial African named Nommo Balewa, and if those portals are magical in nature he's your best hope of going home." She nods slowly in acknowledgement. "We don't segregate. There's-."

"Why not?" She frowns. "The British Empire segregated before the war. America had anti-miscegenation laws before the war…" She stills as she works it out. "The war."

"There's nothing quite like liberating a death camp full of starving people to make a person reconsider their racial attitudes. And if you're a black man who's spent years fighting and killing in the service of your country and then they try to make you sit at the back of the bus or tell you that your marriage to the woman you met on campaign isn't valid…"

I shrug.

"Fascism is as unpopular here as.. I imagine Jews are where you're from."

Her mouth opens slightly, then closes again.

"I'm.. not Italian."

Huh-?

I shake my head.

"Fascism has become a generic term for your particular brand of violent ethno-nationalism. There's basically nowhere on this Earth you can go where you can guarantee not to encounter black people. I'll ask again: can I trust you to keep yourself under control?"

"I would rather not-." … "Yes."

"Glad to hear it. Ring, please add Overgirl to the network."

"Overgirl added as A Six One."

"This way please."

I lift myself off the floor and fly out of the medical ward. She follows-. She can fly. Interesting. Have to talk to Jor-El about what combination of human and kryptonian enables that ability, along with the heat vision.

"Do you have teleporters?"

"No, zeta tubes. The infrastructure requirements-" She's looking around very carefully, though these walls can switch between kryptonian-transparent and kryptonian-opaque and I know that Jor-El's set it to the latter. "-for the first few were less, and it was easier to keep building them than it was to get approval for the satellite network a teleportation system would require. I'm gradually persuading them to switch to a magic-based system. What do your people use?"

"Assault transport ships."

Hm. Well, if they've had kryptonian technology for sixty years… And cleared the air between their launch point and their destination, an atmospheric craft… It would be slower than a zeta tube in places that actually have tubes, but otherwise could give them a faster response time. I'd rather dismissed the idea because.. teleporters are just better, but perhaps I was wrong not to at least present a few prototypes to the League?

I land just in front of the tube.

"Just through here."

I step-

"Recognized, Orange Lantern, B Zero Six."

14th March
20:42 GMT +1


-through to the outskirts of Budapest and take a moment to check our surroundings. Pretty sure that Batman has recording devices on these things…

"Ring, sound baffle. And call the Sivanas."

"Compliance."

"Recognized, Overgirl, A Six One."

Overgirl strides out of the tube-. No, marches out, and it's a mercy that she's not goose-stepping. At least she's not checking her body parts like I did. She stops and looks around for a moment as I rise into the air, then follows me as I ascend.

"Ah. Budapest."

"I hesitate to ask..?"

"On my Earth this is all part of Germania. The older parts of the city are much the same. The Fuhrer was a great admirer of the civic architecture."

"The Fatherland must be bigger. I take it that Germania is the part of the world that the Reich directly administers?"

"Yes." She smiles. "It covers most of central and Eastern Europe, including what was once the western part of Russia. The Fatherland has never been bigger!"

"And the former inhabitants have no further use for their territory?"

"Those who were genetically pure had their property restored once the war in Europe was over."

A million or so people living in Budapest at the start of the war. 'Genetically pure' meaning no more than one great grandparent who was a gypsy, Jew or Slav. Which.. means…

No, I don't-. I've got no idea what genetic markers they were looking for, or whether or not the crazy Nazi eugenicists considered Hungarians to be Slavs or not.

"Orange Lantern!" Ah. Papa Sivana. "Delighted to hear from you, my boy! Found something interesting for me?"

Overgirl is looking down, using her enhanced vision to examine the city and its people.

"A Nazi superhero from a parallel universe."

"Earth Ten? Yes, I met my alter-ego from there once. He's a businessman. National Socialism was not good for the scientific community. And neither was cribbing all of their technology from alien databases."

"We have a visitor from there. A portal opened in near-Earth space. Could you teleport us to you so we can discuss it?"

"Certainly."

Space… Cubes-.

Notvomitingnotvomiting-.

And I appear in Sivana's laboratory while Overgirl appears in a containment chamber, energy saws poised to dissect her!
 
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Loving this chapter.
And i know that Paul said that he may not go to earth 10, but with how this story turns out i am pretty sure he will.
And i can not wait to see his latest trip to another universe and how it will turn out compared to the crime syndicate one.
 

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