With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Unless Paul's presence somehow changed some things.

 

And people wonders why it took stuff like Watchmen for people to take comic books seriously.

 

Yes... It's a few billion years early... But I am not really sure what the big complaint is here given the sheer number of things that fucked with the sun over the centuries.

 

Thank you, corrected.

 

Ooh, nasty. Flesh-seeking poison gas that can avoid and even damage magical defences? Melmoth (or his dungeon designer) was an inventive fellow...

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Mutual respect between vigilantes? Jolly Cooperation!

At least the damage it inflicted can be healed. I doubt anyone would be happy if it couldn't. I mean, OL could probably amputate and regrow the arm with enough desire to fix it, but that's a charge hog...

Magic and Lantern Constructs don't play nice with each other. Without special training, at least, and OL hasn't focused on that.

Very good idea, and you'll likely have lots of opportunities to try.

Who knows, maybe OL can provide the data for Sephtian or his teams to improve the next generation model.

...What. Wait, did he just say...

Bitch, please, your people are not the sum total focus of Human knowledge.

Heh, that creeping feeling of worry and doubt. Even in one word, you can feel it.

I'm sure your experts could. And you've made a large assumption about the similarity of Spell Eaters to your own counterparts. They could work very differently at the most basic levels...

Interesting by-play. Is Peter suspicious of Abednego's skill because he might be a secret warlock? Or is it just surprise at the talent displayed? Who's to say Abednego doesn't just have a natural knack for defensive witch-signs?

Heh. Presumably Sheeda schooling skimps on anything the person isn't required to know for their tasks.

A question some of us have asked. I doubt we'll ever learn the canon reason...

Ah, OL. You and your habit of breaking people with naught but words.

I assume he's taken the necessary precautions that there aren't hidden traps inside. The joy of a party with multiple Rogues, each specialising in different skill-sets.

An intact, unused suit of armour... That's going to be useful for determining weaknesses, a lot moreso than the damaged stuff they've collected so far.

Have to wonder how strongly the armour integrates into the wearer. Is it simply wrapped around, or does it burrow into them slightly? Does it connect to their nervous system to improve the agility and responsiveness, and how much feedback does the wearer experience? So many questions...

As long as he doesn't go in for retroactive problem solving via paradox. For instance, need something to get through a particularly tough door? Go back afterwards and place a cutting tool nearby for your past self to find! That sort of thing leads to all manner of wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey stuff.

Oh-ho? That's interesting...

Huh. Something akin to the Right Eye of Zoltec? It's not the first time we've seen something that could provide that benefit.

I wouldn't be surprised if some attacks were staged to build his reputation of invincibility. And with abilities like that, I suspect his opponents would be happiest if he were reduced to subatomic particles...

No. Definitely No. You don't stick any part of your body into an unknown like that, kid. Not unless you want to risk it getting bit off or something...

I suspect the pieces are too small to use as any reasonable defence, especially if the torso plating is articulated in any fashion. Unless OL were managing it with construct tendrils. And the armour is known to be remarkably construct-unfriendly.

Looking forwards to improving your skill, eh? No better way than active use.

Now that's an interesting fact or two about the Sheeda. They created their own spell eaters, or something similar? Melmoth had some manner of protective artefact? Both are things which make reasonable sense... Though I wonder how the Columbians supposedly slew him if he had such a thing... Perhaps their 'freedom' is some great experiment the old king is running...

Feels awkward. Perhaps 'far a remove' or similar?

Double Space.

'the' or 'their' depending on meaning, i think.

 

Ah right. Paul is such a fundamental anomaly that even time has trouble.

Didn't the book of fate not contain his name or something?

Paul the living, literal Out Of Context Problem

 

No, V, the Columbia's sun is a white dwarf.

As I've already pointed out, with link-

 

IIRC, the Sheeda got their time travel tech from a time traveling Neanderthal.

Could Melmoth have picked up the meteorite that made Savage immortal? Does that time line match up?

I mean, granted, time travel is involved so "time lines matching up" is kind of a broad subject.

 

This reads like it should have something at the end "as canny and vengeful as _____" if not, then the "as" should be removed. Or maybe this is just another part of their strange dialect.

that -> than

 

On the contrary. The next Renegade episode is mostly devoted to him finding out.

Abednego's speech is supposed to be slightly awkward.

Thank you, corrected.

No, one of Columbia's suns is a white dwarf.

Thank you, corrected.

 

I think there was some kind of techno magical cauldron involved.

Is the next episode going to be a renegade episode?

 

Thats where my thoughts went as well.

But does the meteorite give out hard immortality willy-nilly, or was it a one time deal when Savage got it?

If it is the latter then Melmoth is the far future identity of Vandal Savage (And the thing that made the sun a vampire might well have been a side effect of whatever rescued Savage FROM the sun, assuming someone got tired enough of his bullshit to throw him into the sun.)

 

It wasn't one shot in the comics anyway.

Blood tribe members gained temporary immortality from the meteorite, so they make sure to get a booster exposure every now and again, they are the Insiders.

However while Zoat could have changed things, Melmoth gained immortality from one of the New Gods' gifts- the cauldron of rebirth and plenty.

A dip in it's waters resurrects the dead, so he replaced his blood with its waters for immortality.

 

If he is alive, Paul could theoretically kill him using FEED ME. If he does do that, I hope it is in the presence of the Columbians, the warlocks, and the Sheeda. That should get them to learn that Paul is polite, but not someone to mess with.

 

He can also just assimilate him like renegade assimilated Savage.

 

Either the next episode or the one after that.

 

Mr Zoat, found a typo for you!

From

 

His immortality in the comics didn't cover compete bodily destruction.

Frankenstein killed him by feeding him to the giant carnivorous insects one uses as riding beasts on Mars.

So similarly extreme methods- freezing solid and shattering into teeny tiny pieces, an acid bath, complete incineration, etc, would be sufficient.

No need for getting creative like "Turn him into a tree, so he can enjoy his immortality photosynthesizing" or anything.

 

Thank you, corrected.

I don't think Frankenstein checked that he hadn't reassembled himself from their poo, but the immortality does come from the waters. Sucking his blood out would remove the immortality, though you'd need to give him actual blood afterwards if for some reason you wanted him to live.

 

maybe 'in the comics'

 

Or hit him with a molecular separator. If his molecules are separated, he isn't coming back.

 

Thank you, corrected.

 

maybe 'earlier today'

 

remove one 'an'

Just 'under half an hour'

 

Thank you, corrected.

 

Mr Zoat, when will Constantine show up again and/or the Golden Boy John Quinn mystery be resolved? After what happened with Danner, I think Paragon should be a bit more conscientious about checking up on people with obscure background connections to known figures.

 

Checking up on the two of them may be more difficult.

John is a Lord of Chaos, so he could be anywhere in the universe, or even beyond it, now.

Quinn has the Helm of Fate, so he's an extremely powerful mage now, and could have hidden any info about himself, kinda like how John had a spell that could erase him from public records.

Zoat actually likes subverting some tropes, so it is possible that Quinn is what he says he is.

That being a normal magician who John met a couple of time and later gave him the Helm because he was the most orderly person he knew, and he may not be the Golden Boy.

 

I wonder which scares him more?
The possibility that this Harrowing needing to fail to ensure his people ever existed?
Or the possibility that if this Harrowing fails then humanity will never be put to the brink necessary to make themselves into the Sheeda?

 

Melmoth's Comic Origin

His immortality evidently comes from swapping his blood with the contents of an artifact Cauldron of New Gods origin. When his queen kicked him out he tried going solo to build up enough firepower to take her on when she came back, and wanted to live long enough to be around for it.

His Queen

Keeps up the harrowings without him, for similar reasons.

When she kicked him out, he settled into the ruins of the OG Arthur Pendragon' place (circa 8000 BC, don't ask me DC is weird about that being a cycle too. They had a comic run where it all happens again in the year 3000 AD too.)

Considering Morgaine le Fey, Merlin, the original Shining Knight and Entrigan the Demon were around for the King Arthur that most folks are familiar with, and we've seen signs of them around, one has to wonder about their place in this time travel insanity. Or some of the longer lived folks like Savage, or the Gods that might have interacted with them during previous visits.

 

Given the fact that the Sheeda mostly raided the past, many people may not have had all that much of a chance to figure them out. or interact with them.

The Gods also may not have been interested in them, or the raids were so quick that they couldn't do anything about it.

Most of the gods may not have been born when the Sheeda last raided if it was tens of thousands of years ago.

The likes of Merlin, Morgana and the others may have known of Melmoth, but they may have just considered him to be an ordinary fae, instead of a time traveling warlord from the future.

As for Savage it is possible that he knows of them, or he may not know of them.

Yeah he was most likely alive when they last conducted their last raid, but if they just attack what looks like a civilization they may have missed him if he didn't live in what can be considered a civilization.

The only time I recall Savage and the Sheeda mentioned as having a connection is in the Life Ore Death story on SB and SV.

Apparently Savage once ruled large portions of the planet, but the Sheeda destroyed several of the civilizations he ruled when they raided.