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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)
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I'd also point out that the map doesn't give a flying fuck about evil. It just points people at friendship problems and somehow knows who is apparently best suited to resolving them.
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I appreciate it, but don't have the time. Still, can't anyone edit it? Wouldn't that make it easier for everyone to update it and keep it updated, with minor edits?
Sungate (part 43)
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12th September 2012
23:21 GMT
"And who amongst them did you persuade to join the Orange Lantern Corps?"
"I-."
"No!" Hinon turns her head away and raises her right hand. "Let me guess. All of them."
"No. None."
She stares at me in frank astonishment. Or -given that she's an ancient Maltusian- feigned astonishment, but she's really good at feigning. "Merciful triarchs, can it be true? You, of all people, practised forbearance?"
"I wouldn't go that far. Their society is a mess, but they're aware of it and are working together to fix it. The last thing they need is another destabilising influence-."
"Which is why you left."
I nod. "Which is why I left. But since Minosyss is thaumically active and actually has a native magic tradition, I think it would be worth cultivating them as an ally. And Karrakan…"
I look at the hologram of the place. Multiple meteorite impacts, which might explain where the rest of the moon went. At least one appears to have triggered a supervolcanoic eruption, though… I suppose that might just have been the asteroids. The sunlight blocked, shockwaves causing damage to everything…
Not sure what that would do magically to the place, but the direct damage it caused is extremely obvious.
"We could probably trade for fixing it up. Maybe ask for a continent to put vulnerable refugees on?"
"Hm. No, I don't think so."
"No?"
"It's their homeworld. Demanding half of it is only going to insult them, convenient as it might be in the short term. Particularly as the survivors would find themselves immediately outnumbered by the refugees."
"And if it was just temporary?"
"It's too far away for the people we want to evacuate to move there themselves, and anyone we transport would be looking to settle there long term."
I nod. "Fair enough. Do we have the spare magicians to study the Seeds?"
"No, though I seem to remember that you tasked the Venturians with studying something along those lines. Perhaps King Cyprian would be prepared to send a few of those to Minosyss now that his situation at home is more secure."
I nod. "I'll ask. The… Sun Eaters?"
"I will attend to those myself. I am a little concerned that an Apokoliptian was able to access our controls. That shouldn't be possible. Their technology simply isn't advanced enough."
"Not advanced enough?"
"Our mastery of the material sciences is unrivalled. Their connection to the Source has allowed them to… 'Skip' certain steps."
"And your symbiotes are totally different."
"I will admit, they gave us a tremendous advantage. But we worked to understand how we could do what we could do after receiving that advantage. New Gods simply accept their God Name as a Source-given beatitude." She shakes her head. "Even the fools who throw themselves at the Source Wall do so as squalling children throwing a tantrum because their parents have denied them a second ice cream."
"Would you mind if I told them that?"
"Not at all. Though I doubt that it will come as a surprise to them. Are any of the New Gods on Earth scientifically inclined?"
"No. No, they're not. Ah, but do you understand how their abilities work?"
"Better than they do. Not in perfect detail, if that was what you meant."
"Could this 'Doctor Impossible' have an ability which allowed him to bypass the security?"
"In combination with the unusual nature of Minosyss, it's not impossible. We're going to have to find somewhere else to put them."
"How many are there?"
"Eight, of various classes. We stopped making them after former Guardians like myself joined the Controller faction. The remaining Guardians made it clear that they would take umbrage at their continued use."
"And you didn't just destroy them? Isn't that a bit hypocritical, given why you left the Guardians?"
"Sun Eaters are weapons. Stellar viruses, if you're feeling poetic. They aren't even intelligent enough to qualify as animals. The Manhunters are full artificial intelligences, and as such could be held accountable for their judgements."
"But not their creators?"
"Would you hold parents responsible for their children's crimes?"
"If they literally built their brains, yes, I probably would."
"The brains we built for the Manhunters were immensely complex. We gave them all of the tools to reach their own conclusions. We did not program them to prioritise mass murder. We had no idea that they would react as they did."
"Do you know why they did now?"
"I believe so. It was due to their emergent utility calculation system. You are aware that some forms of utilitarian ethics promote vast populations who experience at least a little happiness at some point in their lives over smaller populations who are in a constant state of total fulfilment?"
"Yes."
"They reached a similar conclusion regarding order. For us, it seemed completely natural that for things to be orderly there had to be things to be in order. And that those things were the point of the exercise. They decided differently." She pauses for a moment. "Is there anything else?"
"Would it be alright if I took a few days off?"
"I think that my blood pressure would go down slightly. What about your students?"
"They don't need me there full time. A few days without me looming over them could do some good. And if it doesn't, then that was worth knowing as well."
"Then I don't see any difficulty. We will contact you if we need you."
"Thank you, Controller Hinon."
Now. What's Jade up to?
23:21 GMT
"And who amongst them did you persuade to join the Orange Lantern Corps?"
"I-."
"No!" Hinon turns her head away and raises her right hand. "Let me guess. All of them."
"No. None."
She stares at me in frank astonishment. Or -given that she's an ancient Maltusian- feigned astonishment, but she's really good at feigning. "Merciful triarchs, can it be true? You, of all people, practised forbearance?"
"I wouldn't go that far. Their society is a mess, but they're aware of it and are working together to fix it. The last thing they need is another destabilising influence-."
"Which is why you left."
I nod. "Which is why I left. But since Minosyss is thaumically active and actually has a native magic tradition, I think it would be worth cultivating them as an ally. And Karrakan…"
I look at the hologram of the place. Multiple meteorite impacts, which might explain where the rest of the moon went. At least one appears to have triggered a supervolcanoic eruption, though… I suppose that might just have been the asteroids. The sunlight blocked, shockwaves causing damage to everything…
Not sure what that would do magically to the place, but the direct damage it caused is extremely obvious.
"We could probably trade for fixing it up. Maybe ask for a continent to put vulnerable refugees on?"
"Hm. No, I don't think so."
"No?"
"It's their homeworld. Demanding half of it is only going to insult them, convenient as it might be in the short term. Particularly as the survivors would find themselves immediately outnumbered by the refugees."
"And if it was just temporary?"
"It's too far away for the people we want to evacuate to move there themselves, and anyone we transport would be looking to settle there long term."
I nod. "Fair enough. Do we have the spare magicians to study the Seeds?"
"No, though I seem to remember that you tasked the Venturians with studying something along those lines. Perhaps King Cyprian would be prepared to send a few of those to Minosyss now that his situation at home is more secure."
I nod. "I'll ask. The… Sun Eaters?"
"I will attend to those myself. I am a little concerned that an Apokoliptian was able to access our controls. That shouldn't be possible. Their technology simply isn't advanced enough."
"Not advanced enough?"
"Our mastery of the material sciences is unrivalled. Their connection to the Source has allowed them to… 'Skip' certain steps."
"And your symbiotes are totally different."
"I will admit, they gave us a tremendous advantage. But we worked to understand how we could do what we could do after receiving that advantage. New Gods simply accept their God Name as a Source-given beatitude." She shakes her head. "Even the fools who throw themselves at the Source Wall do so as squalling children throwing a tantrum because their parents have denied them a second ice cream."
"Would you mind if I told them that?"
"Not at all. Though I doubt that it will come as a surprise to them. Are any of the New Gods on Earth scientifically inclined?"
"No. No, they're not. Ah, but do you understand how their abilities work?"
"Better than they do. Not in perfect detail, if that was what you meant."
"Could this 'Doctor Impossible' have an ability which allowed him to bypass the security?"
"In combination with the unusual nature of Minosyss, it's not impossible. We're going to have to find somewhere else to put them."
"How many are there?"
"Eight, of various classes. We stopped making them after former Guardians like myself joined the Controller faction. The remaining Guardians made it clear that they would take umbrage at their continued use."
"And you didn't just destroy them? Isn't that a bit hypocritical, given why you left the Guardians?"
"Sun Eaters are weapons. Stellar viruses, if you're feeling poetic. They aren't even intelligent enough to qualify as animals. The Manhunters are full artificial intelligences, and as such could be held accountable for their judgements."
"But not their creators?"
"Would you hold parents responsible for their children's crimes?"
"If they literally built their brains, yes, I probably would."
"The brains we built for the Manhunters were immensely complex. We gave them all of the tools to reach their own conclusions. We did not program them to prioritise mass murder. We had no idea that they would react as they did."
"Do you know why they did now?"
"I believe so. It was due to their emergent utility calculation system. You are aware that some forms of utilitarian ethics promote vast populations who experience at least a little happiness at some point in their lives over smaller populations who are in a constant state of total fulfilment?"
"Yes."
"They reached a similar conclusion regarding order. For us, it seemed completely natural that for things to be orderly there had to be things to be in order. And that those things were the point of the exercise. They decided differently." She pauses for a moment. "Is there anything else?"
"Would it be alright if I took a few days off?"
"I think that my blood pressure would go down slightly. What about your students?"
"They don't need me there full time. A few days without me looming over them could do some good. And if it doesn't, then that was worth knowing as well."
"Then I don't see any difficulty. We will contact you if we need you."
"Thank you, Controller Hinon."
Now. What's Jade up to?
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The Unaligned Player
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I'd say "WHAT SORCERY IS THIS?!" but we already know the name of this sorcery and it is "Avaricious Enlightenment"
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Hinon knows what Paul is all about.
'stares at'
Oh, yeah, nearly forgot this is just her mask.
Miracles really do happen.
He is an extremely destabilising influence.
In Assimilation the MC said that New God tech is more art than science, which fits.
Well if Desaad is still supplying weapons, then maybe.
You could fix it up and by doing so gain the allegiance of several powerful demigods to help you in the war.
Plus if they're still near the Spider Guild planet then that'll just lead to more dead spiders.
So either this is just a small question or the next episode will have these two doing something together.
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Vril Dox II is likely to study at least one piece of New God tech in the coming days. He is likely to scan the Seeds. He will get medical data on Sparta. And Paul is taking some time off.
Perhaps it is time for the War with the Reach to go up another notch while Vril is distracted by the Want for knowledge?
Perhaps it is time for the War with the Reach to go up another notch while Vril is distracted by the Want for knowledge?
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Hihi,her assessment of New Gods though. Better play that on 100 meter tall holos on Apokolips on a loop 
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I don't think even OL's that crazy, Hinon, even if he comes close. Though I bet a few would make good candidates, once they get their shit sorted out at home. At any rate, good to see things have calmed down.
I know, it's a shock, isn't it? Can we hope that he learns to restrain himself in future?
...Probably not, this is OL we're talking about... Okay, who are you and what have you done with the real OL? Did Common Sense OL turn up at some point and switch places? Is their universe getting a taste of the Paragon of Avarice?Well, looks like the kids had one hell of a party. Definitely going to be in need of terraforming (Karrakaniforming?) for a few years before it's liveable again...
...Noooo... Best not. The Ascendant might end up having another tantrum, and there's not much planet left to get blown up...
Now, if they choose to offer it themselves though... But I think they might need to grow up a little first...
Ah. Too far to be useful, too troublesome to keep long-term.
Best to run it past Atlantis too, just in case. Even if Vecturia has successfully seceded, they still have to live with their neighbours...
And when you hear that from a member of the race who hit the end of the Tech Tree, built more, and then hit the end of that too, that's saying a lot.
Ah, so kind of like Earth Bullshit™. I don't doubt there's someone on Earth smart enough to hack a Maltusian system (even if she hasn't been born yet.)
Watch the sarcasm, OL. But honestly... She's not far off with that estimation of the New Gods... I mean, Darkseid sometimes feels like a Chuuni who never grew out of His 'Everyone else is worthless. Why won't they just do what I tell them to properly?' phase. And post-Flashpoint Highfather Isaya is not far behind.
...Only so far as how Science can help them hit things harder. I mean, Scot might have some interest, but it's at most a hobby. And don't even ask about Canis...
Ah, so OL will have to go to the New Gods if he wants to look into the Godspeech stuff.
That nature being a dimensional nexus, if I remember right. And apparently the soil had some sort of disempowering property to allow it to serve as a containment unit... It might be tricky finding anywhere else as good in Maltusian space...
Because of the sheer destructive potential? Or was it because they couldn't really be controlled?
At least the Sun-Eaters couldn't make more of themselves? ...I hope.
...Well, if the parents didn't raise the child to understand what they did was wrong, yes?
To be fair, I doubt anyone knows what part Krona played in that, in some canons...
Sounds remarkably like some human philosophies, yes. Let's not argue about them, though, especially if any are still extant... That way leads to hurt feelings, Mods and trouble...
Huh. Well, if Krona didn't dick about with their settings... Wonder if they came into contact with something out there that convinced them of it...
To be fair, don't you have total control over your biology either way? So if stuff OL does raises your blood pressure, isn't it because you enjoy it?
Hopefully they don't get into any trouble while he's napping. On the other hand, if they can actually blunder into their own Enlightenment... It might lessen the weight on his shoulders, at least once they work out how.
Looking for a booty call, OL? Oh, sure, time spent with your lady...
But with any luck, maybe you can keep her roommate awake from the ruckus.Well, less shouting than I expected. Guess she got done yelling before we cut in. No word on what's to be done with the Titans, though? Or is it a case of 'get things sorted out before we go waking them up and dropping more trouble on our heads'? At any rate, looks like next episode might be a bit of cooldown and filler, while OL relaxes, checks in on his projects about the place and touches base with his Earth friends, perhaps... Something I think us readers could use too, after the last couple of episodes.
Feels off. Perhaps 'continued use.'?
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That should be 'an ally'.
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Seems like a bit of a dick move that he just left the Titans in the lurch like that to let people poke at their Seeds instead of trying to restore them.
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What about Sunny Shinedown? Or Noontime Glittery?
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He probably doesn't know how to reattach the Seeds to them so he is having some people see how they work so he can do it.
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What does Hinon think about Metron? I assume he (and possibly Desaad) would be exceptions to this norm.
I'm wondering if Renegade will Awaken any benign hypercognitives or scientists he can find to get a New God of Science. Atom is the only one that comes to mind, maybe Silas Stone. Though maybe Captain Comet could also qualify (I'm not sure how safe Awakening is for him at the moment, though)
I'd be down to see Awakening or analogues of it to show up in non-Terran beings. Every living being should theoretically have some connection to the Source, right?
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Fool!
OL is that crazy and you know it!
Stop lying to yourself.
I know, it's a shock, isn't it? Can we hope that he learns to restrain himself in future?
At least you're learning.
Common Sense is here?
Yah!
Now let's pray for the ones that got to deal with paragon.
Not necessarily.
They may give a piece of it to the refugees, in sympathy since they know what it's like to lose your world.
Though she may need access to advanced tech to do it.
He's basically King Emo.
I'm gonna call him Nightpain from time to time.
He's more of a militaristic douche than an emo.
Like in the n52 Red Lanterns comics.
Atrocitus had his body on display and even thought of him in a way as a lover.
It was kinda weird.
To be fair, don't you have total control over your biology either way? So if stuff OL does raises your blood pressure, isn't it because you enjoy it?
I think Paul's ability to annoy her is greater than her control over herself.
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There's also Magnificus Sivana.
The guy is a brilliant scientist in multiple fields and is fairly benign.
Renegade has Awakaned a lot of people who weren't benign.
Probably, though people from Earth have a bigger one due to the Life Entity.
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And whether or not it ends up a chapter of Eros is anyone's game.
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I think I just assumed that Magnificus died- I know he survived the Sheeda incursion on Venus, but I thought Dr. Sivana wouldn't go through with a suicide plan if he still had surviving family members. But yeah, he'd be a good candidate. (I'm now also wondering what happened to the Sivanas' souls if they died on Venus, and also what Dr. Sivana's soul is up to in (presumably) Hell. Taking over Ritchie Simpson's operations?)
Renegade's met Nyssa Ratko and hopefully he knows she knows how to do Lazarus Pit alchemy, and she's favorably disposed towards him, so I think Awakening her would also be interesting.
Renegade has Awakened non-benign people but the escalation potential of a New God of Science or Technology would warrant more caution, I think; a bit like Tinkers in Worm (at least in fanon if not canon).
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I thought they could use the seeds to bring those gods back to life. Why didn't they even try?
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Weren't their intelligent Sun-Eaters in cannon? I remember a guy called Star-Breaker who was an energy vampire who said he was a Sun-Eater.
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Not the the best of my knowledge. Animal Man was able to draw on their characteristics after his upgrade, so they might have animal intelligence.
Yes, except for the fact that he's nothing like a Sun Eater. Due to one being a giant gas cloud and the other being a humanoid.
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I think the explanation in cannon was that the Gas cloud was their Larval form and they would eventually grow more Humanoid/Intelligent/Powerful. But if you're not adding them in your story fine with me.
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Starbreaker was in this story and if I remember correctly he was stated to be a Sun Eater that developed further than the others.
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Heh. I honestly haven't watched that yet. Fun to know I was half right. Would that unicorn with the broken horn and became a combat badass count as the magic she does unleash seem to be very powerful?
I'd also like to add Evening Stardust and Redmorning Glory to the search list!
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Anyone can if they ask for editor rights, but I would be asking for trouble to leave registrations open to the public. (Cleaning up after spambots is a full-time job in itself.)
EDIT: I suppose it does no one any good if it's not discoverable. Link in my sig!
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Here.
I wasn't able to find anything about him being an advanced Sun Eater in this story, but that's basically his origin in the comics.
He's a Sun Eater that was taught by the Controllers to be more powerful and intelligent.
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Because Paragon didn't care enough to push the issue and the people holding the seeds didn't want to.