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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Discussion in 'Creative Writing' started by Mr Zoat, Jan 27, 2019.

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  1. Darko

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    I thought that he may have known him more personally.

    But they probably don't have all that much of an experience in demons becoming angels, so they may not be able to tell.

    And there's also Zauriel.

    The Sivanas would have fit right in that place.

    Yeah, seeing as you usually can't get him to stop talking.

    So does M'ganns bio ship.

    Now I really hope there's a Vincent Price expy on the other side of the portal.

    I think the only thing they strongly disagreed on the last time was the whole angel fruit thing. That was months ago, they could have gotten over it.

    The younger generations can always surprise you.

    Well there was a song whose title was a thoughtful noise.



    Kids these days.

    OP bullshit for the win.

    This is Batman we're talking about here.

    Of course he can avoid a ring scan.

    I don't think he was really all that mad about it.

    When he and Pal talked about it Giovanni actually defended some of Nabus actions and the good he did for the world, like stopping threats he and the League didn't even know existed.

    Think he meant the Sivanas.

    Though it's possibe the ones from the other side have some sort of alarm system that lets them know when someone is preparing to enter their world.

    Paul, Canis, John, Alan, Adams, Yao, Leonid.

    Not the exact line up from the one in the comics, but sometimes fate can't be avoided.
     
  2. Mr Zoat

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    No, the web was probably put there by the Sivanas.
    Thank you, corrected.
     
  3. Chaoswind

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    I find it funny that Lex and his crew were the ones to get Magnificus into this as a misdirection to make the league think the source of all this crap is the rest of the Sivana family (and Magnificus complained the ploy was quite obvious) and yet everyone in the League fell for it hook, line and sinker. Funny how Paul is keeping that information from the league too... I mean there is no way in hell they would agree to use the machine if they know Lex was involved in its construction, but they would agree to use shit made by the Sivana family because of how they behave as super villains and their "pure" motivations.
     
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    When was it mentioned that Lex and his crew were behind this?

    Magni is currently the only Sivana we know is working for Lex, the others are going solo as far as we know, or working with Ted in case of Beautia.

    In the renegade timeline Sivana Sr. is working with Lex, but there has been nothing that states that paragon Sivana or the of his family is doing this.

    Magni probably didn't even build this thing, but is just acting as middleman between his family and the League.

    The League also isn't fighting the Sivanas now, they're fighting the Light, of which Luthor is a member.

    The Sivanas also didn't play a part in Earth 16s greatest act of mass murder since the Holocaust, so they're probably a bit more comfortable working with the Sivanas because of that.
     
  5. Darko

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    Speaking of Scooby Doo.

    Brut, the giant dog Canis rides, is going with them.

    Is anyone hoping that the bad guy of this episode, Melmoth most likely, says something like this:

    "And I would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for you meddling superheroes and your giant dog!"

    Assuming Brut doesn't eat him of course.
     
  6. WereDragon

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    Not exactly a high bar to clear.
    Actually I’m un-sure if Paul is capable of forgiveness at this point. Perfect memory and an utterly inflexible morality rather preclude it.
     
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  7. Darko

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    Don't know why, but this reminded me of this:



    Ah pregnancy.

    It...truly is a living hell no matter your gender.

    But at least women can keep their genitals afterward.

    At least OL can heal himself should something like this happen to him.

    Though I think Canis may want to see what's it like, for artistic reason of course.

    I can also see him in the delivery room, making an artistic piece on the mans delivery, all the while thinking that it's the most beautiful thing he's seen while the man screams in utter pain and the doctors feel horror at what science has done.

    It would be the most horrifying thing science has done in a fanfic since Jerry escaped the lab that made him in Cell of a Good Time.

    Also I apologize if I utterly ruined your Looney Tunes viewing in the future, along with tulips.

    He may still be capable of forgiving people, but not those that hurt something or someone he cares about.

    He was able to get along with Blake and Kori, even if they did lie to him, but wasn't able to forgive Nabu.

    Nabu hurt someone that was his friend, that being Zatanna, while most of the people Kori and Blake hurt were utter monsters and the innocents they killed or allowed to be killed can be seen as being mercy kills due to what the Psions do to their test subjects.
     
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    This talk about Koriand'r and Adam Blake got me thinking. Exactly how much does Komand'r respect Paul on scale of 1-10? Just curious. I personally think it would be 10 as she knows he is strong, helped her people, and is ruthless enough to genocide a species if necessary.
     
  9. Darko

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    I'd say more like a 7, at least a 5 and an 8 at most.

    This is because while he is all these things he also probably doesn't allow her to do everything she wants all the time, like assimilating all those Citadelians, and while he is ruthless he isn't like that all the time and she may see him as being somewhat weak for not going with the most brutal method every single time.

    Renegade mentioned he and her didn't work anymore because she wanted a partner that didn't question her and adopted more brutal methods of doing things, even if they're probably not as bad as her comic counterparts or as stupid, so there is a chance paragon Kom also did something like that, but probably to a lesser degree than her renegade self, since paragon rescued her sooner and has more experience than renegade in rehabilitating people and getting them to use their talents toward productive ends.

    Paul prefers to engage in diplomacy first if possible and will question her decisions.

    So while she isn't crazy, evil and stupid like her comic self, she probably doesn't consider Paul a 10.

    At least she isn't like her comic self.

    Paul would be lucky if she thinks of him as a 5, seeing as he would most likely oppose her more due to her habit of engaging in evil for sadistic pleasure, as well as criticise some of her decisions.
     
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    On the other hand, she was willing to go along with the Vega-wide conspiracy to keep the Citadelian extermination plot from him, despite the fact that, out of everyone present, it was her and Koriand'r's specific responsibility to report to him. I suppose she likes him well enough, but respecting him, either has her superior officer in the OLC, or frankly as an independent being who might have a stake in the Vega system? Clearly not.

    Moreover, neither Koriand'r nor Komand'r were disciplined for their insubordination in any way, which sets the precedent for how much leeway Orange Lanterns are given while on assignment. Which is a bit odd, now that I think about it: did anyone ever bother reporting the incident to Dox? I understand that Paul doesn't much care about people treating him like a mushroom, but Dox, as Clarissi of the Orange Lantern Corps, ought to have been justifiably pissed off about the whole incident. And how did the Greens and the Guardians respond? I suppose Oa could have extracted concessions out of the Vega union outside of Paul's own viewpoint, given that he's shown a remarkable degree of willful ignorance of Vega even after the incident, but I'd be surprised if that group would be as willing as Paul to let bygones be bygones.
     
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    Dox probably knows about that since Paul most likely told him and Green Lanterns being allowed into Vega, where they couldn't go previously, would most likely get his interest.

    Kori and Kom either were disciplined off-screen, or Dox considered it unnecessary since they also basically allied multiple parties that were previously fighting each other and are making Vega hospitable and safe again, so he may find it possible to excuse their actions.

    The only species that went extinct because of them were the Psions, who Dox may not like all that much as a former victim of sadistic scientists. The Psions did love to experiment on people in extremely painful ways.

    I don't think the various powers of Vega would have cared what the Guardians thought of their actions if they knew that the Psions were a former experiment of theirs that they allowed to exist despite the fact that they are monsters.

    It would be like this:

    'Oh sorry I killed your wild and insane dog that you left in my house that was trying to kill me and my family. Please forgive me.'

    Seeing as two Lanterns helped in the extermination they may have had the info on that on their rings.

    The Guardians may have decided not to push the issue on the whole Psion thing.

    They haven't made any noise about renegade deciding to get rid of the programming they placed on the Martians, even though chances are high that the various GL's on Earth have informed them of this and the things that are happening on Mars, so they may not make any noise about the Psions.

    They may be glad that the Psion mishap has been dealt with in a way that doesn't reflect badly on them.

    From what OL said, aside from the thing with Larfleeze, the Guardians may have had a pact with the Psions to not go into Vega, because after they died OL told them that the GL's can now enter Vega.

    With the actions of the Vega Alliance one of their mistakes is no longer around and they didn't break their word so their rep on keeping their word hasn't been damaged.

    Paul is also most likely keeping a closer eye on Vega now after the incident, we just aren't shown that since it may not be all that relevant.
     
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  12. Mr Zoat

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    Dox doesn't care. As far as he's concerned, giving the SI the right to recruit was 'paying him off', effectively creating a separate organisation. Any problems they make away from the Periphery are the SI's problems.
     
  13. Soul Shocker

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    Kinda like Wands for D&D wizards in the Bag of Holding.
    If he brings his Spellbook (lantern), even missing out on Wands, he's still very viable.
     
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  14. rdfox

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    Small note here, for future reference. While OL probably wouldn't know this (most people don't), I seriously doubt that Major Adams would actually be wearing his true "dress" uniform, officially known as the "Mess Dress" uniform, which is reserved for formal occasions and considered to be equivalent to black tie. More likely, he would be wearing his standard desk-duty uniform, known as Service Dress, which is the famous blue suit. That said, for an actual human who would have to have various badges (like his wings and ribbon rack) pinned to his uniform, wearing a backpack would be rather uncomfortable with that uniform (the straps would be pressing the backs of the pins into the chest) and, most likely, based on the date, the Airman Battle Uniform would be preferred. While it is technically combat fatigues, it's not uncommon to see officers in surprisingly public-facing positions wearing them at times, and not just in combat zones--witness how the press conferences held by the admiral in charge of Naval Station San Diego regarding the fire aboard the USS Bonhomme Richard were all done in his fatigues, as a recent example--and it would probably be considered appropriate for meeting with other officers in a field setting.

    Of course, with Adams not needing to worry about such issues as comfort and the pack's straps dislodging/shifting badges or wrinkling the jacket, he might well prefer Service Dress if he's going to be a representative of the USAF, as it does give a more formal, less "aggressive" appearance... but poor Yao and Leonid, if they're wearing their equivalents instead of the PLA and Russian Army(?) fatigues!
     
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    Mr Yao and Leonid are just wearing the pack. Mr Yao was a deserter, and August-I-Forget-His-Rank-In-Iron would have some sharp words for people if he was allowed to wear a military uniform ever again. Leonid is technically part of Russia's intelligence community rather than its military.

    As for Major Adams, assume that it's the service dress uniform.
     
  16. Darko

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    A few pages ago we were talking about how Apokoliptians define hierarchy and how they accept stronger people domineering them, and now I was reminded of this:



    You can imagine Canis begging someone to whip him while he makes sexually satisfied noises.
     
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    Goldenlima Not too sore, are you?

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    traps
     
  18. TheMidnightRook

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    Pretty sure that's just Balewa's accent, lile how he pronounces "Batman" as "Betman"
     
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    "Laever spart. Yeah, that looks clear."

    "Good, but I can't assure proper functioning."

    "Oh, right. Erusne reporp noitcnuf."

    "Rude."
     
  20. Threadmarks: Otherworld (part 6)
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    The 'portal' manifests as a thin circular outline picked out in white-blue flecks paired with a distant 'dot' and a strange sense of distance. Major Adams and I glance at Dr. Balewa as he and John Quinn do a quick check, then Dr. Balewa places his hands on his chest. A moment later glowing green lines float over his skin in a protective layer.

    "The portal is stable. I will take the lead, in case there are any difficulties in the journey which require a specialist. Follow me in thirty seconds."

    Diana nods, and he strides into the circular outline, almost immediately… Shrinking towards the vanishing point in the distance… And he's gone.

    John Stewart purses his lips. "How do we know he made it through?"

    "Kcart Rotcod Tsim."

    Mr. Zatara's eyes flicker for a moment, his expression growing a little vacant.

    "He is travelling through the path without any difficulty." His eyes clear. "This device appears to make following the correct pathway instinctive." He turns to me. "Did the witch-hunters you spoke with say how long passage took?"

    "No, I'm afraid not."

    Alan gives me a lopsided smile. "So who gets to go next?"

    "I will." / "It is my-." / "Me?"

    Leonid, Diana and I look at each other. There's no obvious reason for Leonid to take the next spot; he has no way to communicate back. Canis is the logical person, then either me -because if something goes wrong I can try to hop into the Honden to dodge it- or Diana due to her arcane resistance.

    Diana smiles at me. "It is my responsibility."

    "Right, but whether you get through or don't, how will we know?"

    "As you have said, I am a Titan. If I were to die, Doctor Fate would swiftly become aware of it."

    Hm. "Canis, if you went through, how quickly could you open a boom tube back?"

    "Mother Box would have to adapt to the local physics. Perhaps a few hours, perhaps a few days…" He shrugs. "Perhaps longer. If you wait, this pathway will not still be available."

    "A Lantern could... Probably send a message back."

    Alan frowns. "I thought we were sure this wasn't going to kill us?"

    Diana nods. "It is unlikely, but we are taking the possibility that we are wrong into account in the thirty seconds allotted to us. Which have now elapsed." She rises off the ground and flies forward. "Thirty seconds, and then if there is no sign anything is wrong, follow me."

    "Sir."

    Alan smiles as Diana disappears. "It's a bit like a camping trip, isn't it?"

    "Not if I can help it. If we turn up in the middle of nowhere, I'm building a log cabin."

    Major Adams smiles. "Don't like roughing it, Orange Lantern? I thought you were supposed to be a military officer."

    "Post-scarcity special forces, not industrial-age infantry. I went camping when I was younger, and in the unlikely event that Jade and I produce an outdoorsy offspring I may reacquaint myself with it. Otherwise, I fight to preserve civilisation and houses are far more civilised than tents."

    He snorts with amusement, while Alan frowns.

    "You and Jade talked about kids? I thought you said the plan was for the two of you to be engaged for years?"

    "Not in.. specific terms. I'm just saying that if we did-."

    "That's thirty seconds." John looks at the magical duo. "Doctor Fate? Zatara?"

    Zatara nods. "As far as I can tell, they both made passage successfully."

    John Quinn nods in agreement, and John Stewart nods an acknowledgement.

    "Looks like we're up." John generates green armour for himself and then flies forward into the portal.

    Brut and Canis bound through next, followed closely by Leonid. Major Adams walks forward at marching speed as Alan and I armour ourselves. We fly forward slowly with our personal lanterns in hand, letting Adams pass through the aperture before accelerating after him.

    Passing into the witch-path… Doesn't feel like anything, and a quick glance at Alan doesn't show any particular response. In front of me is… Nothingness, with faint blue-white guidelines..? Reminds me a little bit of the animation that used to play on Stargate whenever anyone went through the gate, only less rollercoastery. Alan's still next to me, but I can't see Major Adams or anyone else. I'm.. getting a vague sense that there are other passageways here, curving up or down or off to the side. But… The one I'm on is most readily apparent, not… Brighter, exactly, but its existence is clearer.

    Right, well, I don't know a lot about fae magic, but I do know that getting distracted around them is a bad idea. So no use of the orange light beyond the armour I've already got, no scanning and certainly no Ophidian. Just following the path, just following the path. There's no real sense of space; we could have been flying for miles or have barely moved. I could try talking to Alan but I'm.. concerned that might result in things going wrong.

    Can't see anything ahead, and I'm not turning my head to check behind. The blue glow from Alan tells me that he's still there.

    Huh. I wonder if arcane technology has advanced to the point where formerly dangerous forms of magic transportation are now safe? Definitely need to follow up with Morpheus and Mammon about magic-based starships. I doubt that the Sivanas would have made a temporary portal if a permanent one was possible, but if we can get Sephtian out to Gotham to dismantle the machine and work out how it works, we could learn all sorts of thi-.

    The light at the end of the tunnel appears to be getting closer. It's been a fairly smooth journey so far, so I'm-.

    The light appears to leap at us, and we appear in a ring of menhirs in.. an area of pastureland. A flock of sheep are already sleepily ambling away from our party -quick headcount, yes, everyone's here- as the group gets its bearings. It's night time here, though I'll hold off on making wide scale scans until I know who might get offended by that. Bit off that there's no security-.

    Dr. Balewa waves his hands at the closest exit from the menhir… No, it's not just a ring. There's a geometric arrangement that just happens to have a circular outer ring. He gestures at the exit.

    "There are bound spells of detection and protection. The protective spells are not designed to stop humans, but… Wonder Woman, Orange Lantern, you may be somewhat affected."

    "Oi! Who goes there! Jeremiah, you lubberwort, if you're sneaking out to vex the landswarden again you'll feel the heel of my shoe!"

    Diana smiles faintly. "Canis, can Motherbox tell you how long she will need?"

    "Ping."

    "She says that something is obscuring her senses. Weeks, perhaps, if it remains active."

    A lantern glowing with eldritch green fire appears through the boughs of a nearby copse.

    "Doctor Mist, is the ward dangerous?"

    "I do not think it would trouble you greatly. It would be more on the level of a mild discomfort, and perhaps a reluctance to pass it."

    "Orange Lantern, Starfire. Survey the local area. Green Lantern, go into orbit and scan the system. Doctor Mist, see what you can learn about local magic without disturbing the local people. Blue Lantern, remain here with Canis. Major Adams, accompany me as I greet the local watchman."
     
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    It's surprising that there is a local system.

    I thought it would be one of them pocket universes with psychedelic physics.
     
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    White quote marks.

    'Adams'

    'with our'

    'me is...'

    Has she been practicing some of her more esoteric and arcane abilities?

    I remember OL thinking that it was good she was practicing them during the whole thing with the Angels.
     
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    Paragon would make a horrible father... Too much orange light...
     
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    I’m still kind a hoping that they popped out in the world of Warhammer.
     
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    On the contrary, his empathy could allow him to more easily view the emotions of his children, so all those dramatic moments where parents and children can't understand each other practically won't exist with him.

    He is also capable of experiencing other emotions to a great degree, as his ability to use a violet ring has shown.

    He also greatly cares for those around him and is always trying to help them.

    He's shown to be a good boyfriend to Jade, as he helped her with various issues, helped her get a job she likes, and is fully willing to wait before they get married and have children, and will have children with her if she likes it.

    Renegade and the various other version of him who've adopted children have shown themselves to be good parents to their new children, so chances are very high paragon is also going to be a good father.

    True his parenting most likely wont be typical, but it wont be bad, just different.
     
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    Look -> Looks
    Pass -> Passing or The pass
     
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    Always have protective spells in place before entering uncertain portals. Classic adventuring 101, and a part of the classic 'Scry-and-die' method. and yes, I know they're not hoping for trouble, but always prepare for the worst.

    Bet he's loving the chance to experience something new like this. Man loves life, after all.

    With Hax magic, of course.

    Well, that was unhelpful of them... It's like they don't want visitors or something. :rolleyes:

    Look, as interesting as the ride is, you can't all go next. It's one at a time.

    Also, it looked like fun. Like freefall in the horizontal.

    That's taking a big risk on something you don't know for sure.

    In other words, shit or get off the pot, to put it crudely.

    Man has a point, and he's the hopeful one, so you know he means it.

    A camping trip in an alternate dimensional pocket thing that vaguely resembles Puritan-era Massachusetts. I guess that's fun?

    If an Orange Lantern has to rough it like that, something has gone very badly wrong with their situation.

    I know, right? OL as a father? Not an image anyone can picture easily.

    Unfortunately, unless you do discuss it with her, it's not likely to happen anyway. Given she'll be doing most of the work and all.

    Well, that's as close to 'the light is green' as they're going to get.

    Onwards to Witchworld! Mind the gap and watch your head.

    Hooray for Science! triumphing over wild magic.

    Best not to risk it, really. Even with the Sivanas' Science!, anything could go wrong.

    I don't know, isn't Sephtian already busy enough?

    Let's hope it's not an oncoming Shiftship...

    They managed to land in a prepared teleportation circle, or something similar? The local equivalent to a Dolmen Gate, perhaps?

    Oh, dear, the locals are already coming. Should be fine, as long as he's not waving a scythe or similar farming implement threateningly...

    Translation: "You could just ask me directly, you know..."

    The local farmer, eh? Wonder how he's going to react to a band of brightly dressed adventurers.

    No something they could power through if need be. Not a big hassle, then.

    A solid plan. Let's see how much goes wrong with it.

    And so the road trip begins. Wonder how much hilarity will ensue? Hopefully the locals are tolerant of any cultural misunderstandings... Then again, given the Witch-Hunters' attitudes...
     
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    I wonder what enhancements and buffs he'll build them with?
     
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    And remember the most important lesson on any adventure.

    Never split the party!



    Well he did meet its embodiment.

    Ah OP bullshit, never change.

    Yeah, those inhospitable bastards.

    Well the Samaritan from Astro City goes to a pocket dimension every other year to have dinner with his 'former' archenemy, so them deciding to go to another dimension for a camping trip isn't all that weird.

    Unless they actually desire to have a rough life.

    You technically can, given we've been shown renegades parenting.

    Maybe a bit softer and less focused on some of the things renegade did, but maybe not completely different.

    Paul can just build an artificial womb for the baby.

    And do I have to remind you of this:



    I don't think the team is going to be jumpy if someone is waving around a scythe at them.

    They can tank most things thrown at them.

    She may not be able to understand her.

    Probably yell at them for wearing such brightly colored clothes.

    Maybe call Diana a whore, assuming she's not wearing her new armor, which is highly unlikely seeing as they are going into unknown territory.

    Maybe at the end of this episode one of the puritans will go with them back to Earth and he can try to fit into modern Earth society.

    Kinda like this:







    Just imagine OL setting someone like that up with a potential romantic partner.
     
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    He'll most likely give them enchanted things as they grow up so they can be protected, as well some advanced technology.

    As for actually enhancing them, well most of the the enhancements formulas he has are alchemical and his body doesn't react all that well to them, so he may not use those.

    However he does Compound V, so if Sivana figures out a way to safely use it he may inject his children with it.

    He may still use the alchemical formulas he has if they figure out a way to administer them to him.
     
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