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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Discussion in 'Creative Writing' started by Mr Zoat, Jan 27, 2019.

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  1. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    I can confirm that the Renegade has never Awakened anyone called Green Artow.
     
  2. Rockinalice

    Rockinalice Know what you're doing yet?

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    We know that the Citizenry is a only the strongest rule which would mean that Complacency isn't allowed because if you do odds are someone is going to kill you for your position.

    So from this we can safely assume that Astarte has had to always push herself to get on top and stay there for as long as she probably has for one and second grew up in the time of myths and legends and the amazons were constantly at war. Another would be that the Citizenry would probably have at least a few enemy's that they have been at war with at one time or another for how they do things.

    Funny thing about DC no matter how advanced a civilization is most still stick to close combat for problem solving

    she at least would have combat experience that would leave Diana who's only been around for 100yrs in the dust for combat experience
     
  3. Darko

    Darko Well worn.

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    I think that Harmony mostly fixes mental afflictions, but it may work.

    Fixed it.

    But seriously, was Green Arrow fully Awakened like the others?
     
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  4. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    Yes.
     
  5. Stsword

    Stsword I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    You know what advantage 3000 years of combat experience would give you against someone who can tank spaceship canon blasts and punch spaceships into submission? Things WW did in that very storyline, by the by. Enough sense to not be stupid enough to fight them in hand to hand. If she had attacked Diana with a spaceship she'd have actually stood a chance.

    And if you knew your Greek myth you'd know that demigods routinely get jack and shit as a divine birthright. Hercules is the exception, not the rule.

    So let me amend my earlier comment.

    WW defeated an entire squad of Citizenry, captured Astarted, defeated their undefeated champion, and defeated Astarte after dogfighting Citizenry ships destroying several of them, until one actually tagged her causing her to fall to Earth where the impact caused a crater.

    Whereas Astarte fell to one blow from her catgirl Lt when Astarte attacked her in anger that she acknowledged Diana as the new boss.
     
  6. Darko

    Darko Well worn.

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    Good point.

    A lot of demigods, while skilled and strong, don't tend to get things as blatant as super strength.
     
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  7. Vaermina

    Vaermina Versed in the lewd.

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    You forgot two important points here.

    The first, she's the only one around the Citizenry with Demigod level strength and durability.

    The second, she's the only one around the Citizenry with the ability to control weapons with her mind.
     
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  8. Rockinalice

    Rockinalice Know what you're doing yet?

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    Ok let me say that the myths i was Talking about was DC lore not real world demigods who all that are shown have certain powers standard to the template like most have a basic Brick package (cassie, jason, donna, Hippolyta, Astarte,etc)
    tie to a domain that they may or may not learn to use

    Two it was shown in The Paragon timeline When OL was brought to evaluate the Justice League What would happen if they faced a Spaceship most of the league including WW got wiped by the space Cannons on any decent ships And I think we can go with the Citizenry having decent guns would easily kill her in a few hit

    Three we arnt talking About post crisis earth 1 BS Diana we're talking about Earth 16 Diana who While i believe is implied by Mr.zoat as having the potential to reach that BS is nowhere near that level right now( could be wrong Mr.zoat please correct if so) because she was easily trounced by the Shade ( Implied that she didn't even give him any trouble)

    Four We're not talking about throwaway villain Astarte. we're talking about a version of her that gained at least some respect from grayven who a version of took on Renegade and put up a hell of a fight. So I hope I'm as OK in assuming hes easily above WW 16 and Astarte is going into this fight like a fight to the death because it is and WW is not (or at least I interpreted it that way could be wrong)

    (I will say I'm loving a chance to debate thou dont do it alot)

    We'd have to ask Mr Zoat how our Shade would stack against Main DC Diana
     
  9. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    There's no real reason for them to fight, but Shade 1 doesn't have any particular vulnerability to anything Diana can do as far as I know. The only way to kill him is to surround him in blinding light first, and she doesn't have the ability to do that. Assuming that she was fighting at something approaching full effort her speed would make it hard for him to keep up, but I think he'd win eventually.
     
  10. Tzeentch

    Tzeentch Know what you're doing yet?

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    Easy enough problem to resolve.

    Show the physical biological data to the elf mages, (like one Anurion The Green) and they'd likely fill in the gaps by applying the ol' "As Above, So Below" method, figuring out what kind of Magicks would fit it to create Starwood.
     
  11. Stsword

    Stsword I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    Well then you don't know your DC lore. Queen Hippolyta is the daughter of Ares and the powers DC gave her beyond what every Amazon gets is nothing.

    And since we were very obviously discussing the comic book, if you think we were discussing Earth-16 Diana than you were wasting everyone's time.
     
  12. Threadmarks: Veganism (part 11)
    Mr Zoat

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    1st September 2012
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    When do Amazons peak?

    They've been on that island for three thousand years, but is there a point where they just… Get as good at something as they can get? Orana is considered to be a mistress of the bow even by her fellow Amazons, but she isn't much better than, say, Oliver Queen… Pre-Awakening in both cases, I've got no idea how they stack up now.

    Diana's arms move across her torso, bracers blocking a volley of shots from her aunt's forearm-mounted gun. Astarte doesn't appear to be using her divine abilities to enhance it, so I'm assuming that she's just trying to get more of a feeling for Diana's abilities. A moment later Diana flicks the noose of her lasso at Astarte, who sidesteps and bats at it with the mega rod.

    Diana's in her late eighties. Astarte is early in her fourth millennium, and unlike the women back home has actually spent that time fighting people who were trying to kill her with the full range of weapons available to advanced civilisations. Plus, she's a war demigoddess rather than whatever Diana is trying to pretend she's not. Everything about that says to me that this should be an Astarte beat down.

    Diana ducks and drops, flying across the deck to get under Astarte's guard. Astarte tumbles sideways, swinging the rod at the point Diana will be passing through. But Diana blocks it with her left bracer and reaches for the haft with her right hand.

    Wait, that's not-.

    I can just about see her wince as she discovers that while the head is the most dangerous part, the haft isn't safe for non-owners. Astarte manages to apply her boot to Diana's face, but Diana just rolls in the air with the hit, her own feet striking Astarte hard in the tits and sending her flying backwards.

    She shoots as she goes, and Diana takes a hit to her armour as her arms are out of position to block it.
    Feel My Wrath!
    These shots look a little more solid than the probing shots from earlier, which I suppose is intentional. She takes a hit, she's going to want to retaliate at full power rather than risk looking weak before her people, even for a moment.

    "Mm."

    I glance at Theana.

    "Comments? Questions?"

    "I was worried that she'd be weak."

    "Good news: she's not. If you're interested, I can give you a tally of her victories."

    "It doesn't change anything."

    "It changes what you think of her. It might help you understand-"

    Astarte tries to soak a hit to get into grappling distance but that's the Strength of Gaea! Astarte actually falls on her arse, blinking as she tries to clear her head.

    "-why she's doing this."

    Theana doesn't look particularly perturbed by her mother's setback -Astarte gets back on her feet as Diana takes the opportunity to try talking to her- but she is focusing on it rather than me.

    "It doesn't matter. Strength is strength."

    "Alright, if you're not interested in learning from me, would you mind explaining a few things for me?"

    "What is there to say? We're the Citizenry, the strongest, fiercest and most ruthless."

    "Then why are you working for the other Grayven? You're clearly a bunch of psychotic misandrists, and he's an unapologetic man. And his followers are gordanians, and their military is mostly male. What's going on there?"

    "Mother wants another daughter. There's no point in trying to breed with a weak breeder."

    Diana's a little slow on a dodge and her aunt rips a chunk of hair from her head.

    "I don't really see the appeal, but I suppose it doesn't really cost him anything."

    I haven't felt any sort of divine imprint from him on her, nothing that would let him control her. So what's the plan from his end? Extra troops are nice, but if they're just going to turn on you then you're setting yourself up to fail. So either they're supposed to be a first wave which can die down to a level where he can incorporate them in his other forces without worrying too much, or-.

    Or he was going to remove Astarte anyway, and his choice of replacement is somewhere around here. His own daughter by her?

    "And then what?"

    "Once the girl is born, if she passes the trials, then we will kill the Apokoliptian and his lizards."

    "That'd be a trick. I doubt that shooting him with his own Omega Effect would do it."

    "Why not?"

    "It's a New God thing. The fact that he's able to use it indicates that he's internalised its lessons. He's mastered it. Shooting him with it would be like injecting you with your own blood."

    "We've followed my mother for nearly three thousand years. We have more than one way to kill a god."

    "Then… What? Back to the same old same old?"

    "We fight, we kill. What more is there?"

    "Everything. Reliable food supplies raised by your own hand. An opportunity to live without constantly worrying whether you're seen as fierce enough to survive another day. An opportunity to develop yourself in ways not associated with warfare." Let Our Majesty Humble the Barbarian.

    "We have reliable food now."
    Dimly I feel it as Artemis moves through the Provider holding pen.
    "Do you? I suppose if you like the taste of snake, but wouldn't you like to try something else every so often? Or just have the option to do so? Why make the universe kneel if you can't use it as a footstool? What's the point of fighting and winning if you don't benefit from-"

    Diana gets her noose around Astarte's right forearm and pulls, dragging her aunt across the arena floor while shouting something.

    "-it?"

    "There are two of us, and only one plate of food."

    "Then surely making sure that there's more food is the way to go? I mean, even conquering a few worlds and making them farm for you would result in a more reliable food supply than what you're doing now."

    "It means more if you have to work for it."

    "Yes, but does 'work' have to mean 'drop off snake, stand well back'? Wouldn't it be more rewarding work to grow crops and raise animals yourself? I mean, a halfwit child could press a button, but farm labour takes-."

    "There's no point in fighting the weak."

    "So who do you fight?"

    "The strongest. The ones they think have what it takes to be Citizens."

    "Do they actually have to beat you, or..?"

    "No. Just survive. A few manage to wound me. None beat me."

    "Oh?" I look her over. Okay, kryptonians aren't the rule or anything, but I don't really see what's so scary. "Hey, are you actually going to accept Diana's rule if she wins?"

    I glance at the centre of the arena, where Astarte's lost her gun and just took a left cross to the face. Yeah, Diana's got that. From the sounds of things, she's got that due to actually fighting people in her weight class rather than being massively overpowered compared to everyone around her.

    "Of course not."

    "Then…" I draw my new daiklave. "Why wait?"
     
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  13. Z3r0Sama

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    Didn't think Zoat could write a group worse than the Psions, but consider me impressed. Can't wait for the Gravy to open up a can of genocide on them like he did with Psions/Citadellians/Spiders.
     
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    Grayven: will you follow your traditions of your mom loses?

    Theana: of course not, we'll just gang up and fight to the death.

    G: bet.
     
  15. AmericanNumbers

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    Yep. Diana is half titan and half god and living on a deathworld where her aunt is basically a bully. She outclasses her Aunt badly.

    I'm wondering what the hell Diana's divine nature is in this universe.
     
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    iamnuff Connoisseur.

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    "On god?"
     
  17. megrisvernin

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    I mean Diane has a lot less experience than her. Thousands of year of combat even if the skill gain is less than what Diane goes through adds up.
     
  18. BR549

    BR549 This is filth! FILTH!!

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    A smattering of godspeech tonight.

     
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    Like I said, stupid evil.

    Just kill them and be done with it, Grayven. If anything, this should be an object lesson.

    I can delight in pragmatic evil, tolerate banal evil and understand an excess of evil. But stupid evil? Chuck it into the sun.
     
  20. moralrelativity

    moralrelativity Recovering pendant.

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    she -> she is
     
  21. AmericanNumbers

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    We've seen that Titans are a rough beat for the actual gods not demi gods. And Astarte has been functionally killing slimes where Diana is regularly sparring with full Kryptonians and fighting things on the order of Elder Gods.
     
  22. ForeverShogo

    ForeverShogo Not too sore, are you?

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    Gotta love their bragging about being strong when their entire MO seems to be to find worlds that have no way of actually fighting back against them, and from the sound of things actively avoiding worlds that could put up a fight, only to drop a shitload of snakes that do just about everything for them.
     
  23. Mr Zoat

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    Thank you, corrected.
     
  24. DbDRAKE

    DbDRAKE Possibly some sort of Actual Dragon?

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    It looks Like it was thousands of years of dropkicking toddlers into the sand, then declaring victory.
     
  25. AidanMorgan

    AidanMorgan Essentially Overworked

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    I think this has come up before and the answer is either Truth or Justice.
     
  26. Chojin Patriarch

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    In that situation, it's largely a matter of how they're using their God-gifts. Presumably, Ollie aims for non-lethal wounds - trick shots like pinning someone to a wall, or putting a gimmick arrow right where it has to be - while Orana no doubt favours a more lethal level of accuracy - putting broad-head shafts into a weapon hand or a foot, or straight-out killshots with a narrow or barbed tip. No doubt both are getting plenty of Mana input...

    But... Consider their regular opponents. To put it in MMO terms: Astarte has been the max-level character wandering lowbie zones PvPing beginners, while Diana actually runs end-game content and knows her build and gear inside out, down the the second of power cooldown rotations. Which has been challenging herself to improve, hmm?

    Yeah, I don't see that working. New God weapons aren't polite about being handled by anything other than their masters. I mean, the Renegade's Daiklave probably never leaves his grasp if he can help it... But imagine what it might do to someone trying to take it from his hand?

    The one problem with Diana's style: She relies on her lasso for ranged attacks. No guns, no spears, no bow or sling... If a foe can maintain distance, or tie her down and bombard her from afar with others, she has few options besides playing 'bullets and bracelets' until she can get airborne...

    And she's probably getting a little annoyed that Diana's not folding after one hit like some of her opponents might. I mean, not every member of the Commanders' circle can be as powerful as her, after all.

    :confused: ...Oh, boy. Was that a dismissive 'hmm' or a lustful 'yum'. Because I can just see her associating violence with other things...

    Probably feel insulted if a member of her family was weak...

    Given that Theana would never have heard of most, if not any, of the names the Renegade could list, I'm not surprised.

    :p 'Strength of Gaea' basically translating into 'hits like a rockslide'? Good to see Diana not holding back now...

    ...Or not. Diana, this is far past any kind of diplomatic solution...

    Just for the Codex, you know. Got to find all that Lore, after all.

    While putting it rather rudely, even to her, he has a point. Though I wonder how much of that misandry is due to Astarte's leadership?

    Ow. Should have tied it back, Diana. Unless that was tied back, in which case, double OW. Hope the Renegade can apply a little cosmetic repairs later, assuming it doesn't grow back rapidly...

    If he plans to integrate them at all. Maybe he's watching to see what you do with them: Extinction or subjugation? That would tell him much of your form of Conquest.

    Bit of a risk. They're clearly overconfident, aren't they? But Hubris has its own drawbacks, though.

    Or trying to set a fire elemental on fire. With non-magical fire, at least. I've seen at least one case where the nominal hero of the story does beat a fire creature with magically-charged fire... 'Bastard!', if you're curious.

    Trundling through the galaxy, extinctifying whole worlds' animal life to feed yourselves porridge? Some life.

    The problem being, do any of them want that? Do any of them have any desire to be more than a roving murderhobo, any aspiration to be greater than their upbringing? :( ...Actually, given said upbringing, those kind of thoughts either get you killed young or are beaten out by the time you come of age...

    Heh. If the Renegade gets his way, they'll have to change, I see. One way or the other. Giving them a choice of the mailed fist, or the spiked boot. :p Since they've rejected anything nicer.

    And clearly you're incapable of thinking to share that food. And think that analogy is enough to explain everything... Clever as a brick in a sock.

    'Ravaging a world form orbit using magic snakes' is not work. Even going down there and beating what you want out of the population is not work.

    Well, at least they have some concept of honour. Pity that just means they exterminate the weak dishonourably...

    That would be impressive, given that there didn't seem to be much in the way of survivors. Or do weak worlds like the last couple not get the offer?

    Gee, some test. I'm almost reminded of Adeptus Astartes recruitment practices from Warhammer 40k. Picking young warriors from feral worlds who show promise by being big, mean bastards... If that's their general kind of recruit, no wonder they're such stupid cunts...

    Yup. The benefit of challenging yourself in battle. I Hope Astarte's learning a good lesson from this...

    Ah, heading off the inevitable betrayal at the pass, eh? I have the feeling Theana would declare a challenge literally as soon as her mother conceded defeat. While Diana's still exhausted. Some honour there, huh?

    Well, then. Looks like the Citizenry will be having to deal with a bit of change soon, eh? Whether they accept the new leadership (and just carry on as they have been as soon as she's not looking) or the Renegade takes drastic measures to correct that behaviour, things are going to be very interesting in the next couple of chapters...


    Some incidental Godspeech:


    Mr Zoat, some corrections:
    They've been on that island for three thousand years...
    Not sure of the intent here. Perhaps 'It changes' or 'If it changes'?
    ...would you mind explaining a few things for me?
    You're clearly a bunch of psychotic misandrists...
    Double Space.
     
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    " We are superstrong bestest because we drop snakes on defenseless worlds!"

    "What if someone beats you by your own rules?"

    "Then we cheat!"

    Yeah, just kill them and be done with it.
     
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    BlueMangoAdea Alive. For now.

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    I find stupid evil hilarious, but that just means that I would chuckle as I removed them if I had the power to do so.
     
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    I can get behind that.
     
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    Honestly, I think the biggest thing that bothers me about the Citizenry isn't so much the stupid evil, so much as how lazy they are about it. There is no drive to improve beyond just beating their chests between kicking the civilization equivalent of toddlers into the dirt.

    Around and around they go, knocking things over but never actually building anything. They're even worse than the Wraith! The ones from Stargate Atlantis, where maybe 5 of them ever showed any sort of personal initiative, drive to be more or ambition to create. I think like 2 out of those 5 characters were human hybrids anyways.

    Part of why I genuinely like Grayven so much is the desire to build. His story is like a 4X game I can read and I genuinely adore that.

    Anyways I'm just ranting. Take what can be useful and chuck the rest of it into a star. The Citizenry don't even deserve the graveyard they leave the planets of their victims as remembrance. For that extra bit of spice, absorb the area, repopulate it. In a century make it so it was like they never existed at all.

    At least 4000 years of history and this is the grand sum of their ambitions? Pathetic.
     
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