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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Discussion in 'Creative Writing' started by Mr Zoat, Jan 27, 2019.

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  1. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    Except that he's not really their supreme leader. How Tau Empire governance works comes up in Fire Warrior and the Codices. Essentially, each caste in a sept is led by whatever semi-retired O's are available, and when the leaders meet to decide policy together the Aun'O makes sure that they're working effectively together. They don't decide things or impose solutions themselves; it's not their job and tau specialisation means that they probably wouldn't know how to anyway.

    Which means that what Aun'Va actually does is oversee the most senior and capable tau in the Empire while they mostly sort things out amongst themselves. Unless they need a moral or theological decision he doesn't even need to speak during most meetings. Adding a species to the 'kill on sight' list? That's him, as advised by earth caste biologists and water caste sociologists. Planning fleet deployments? Nothing to do with him.
     
  2. Someguy Somewhere

    Someguy Somewhere The Critical Fumbler

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    *pokes at modern 40k lore*

    Evidently from the newer lore (thanks to phil kelly novels), Aun'Va's idea of overseeing the tau empire was aggressive expansion, and to be near the front lines, bodyguarded by Commander Shadowsun, to inspire the masses of fire warriors. Also he demand subordinates with ill news to kill themselves. Because of course they needed to get some seppuku in there. He actively took to the field during the largest battle of the third sphere.

    He's also the one actively rewriting the history of the tau to take Farsight out of it, tearing down monuments and deleting entries in their archives.

    Don't know if he's the one that specifically stated to do the whole 'Puretide Engram Neurochip' BS. (Sure, lets just take the brain of our best general, boil it down to a microchip and slap that into folks brains, What Could Go Wrong?) But it'd be around the same time frame that the first batch went out. It's also similar tech to what their AI would have been made from, so already foreshadowed the whole brain uploading crap.

    Could be said there is a bit of a mirror to the Imperium here. You have the heresy, with Farsight playing Horus, and Aun'Va's death and AI replacement being a fill in for Emperor on the Golden Throne.
     
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  3. Orabilis

    Orabilis Vidi, Vici, Veni

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    • Rule 3 warning. We cannot allow that link to the Trove.
    I'm having trouble finding that section in the epub book (link killed). I might be looking in the wrong place though. I don't see how any of the stuff in that book really compares favourably to the Guardian's stuff though. The best stuff in there is, in order, a one-use flamethrower that kills people, a spooky set of armour, an orb that improves the chances of their reanimation protocols going off once per fight, a really good machine-pistol that lights up the whole goddamn area, a teleporter and a fancy scythe that kills most people it hits. Compared to one tiny object that can do essentially all that but also let the wearer travel through time, move through solid objects, clone itself etc. Do you still think that necron tech is better than guardian tech and if so why?

    So is your argument that gunpowder is "a couple thousand years more advanced [than] the Tau"? Is the astronomicon the best the IoM can make and is it any better than the Green Central Power Battery? Is there better tech that the IoM uses, if so how is that tech better than the battery and 1000 power rings?

    So firstly the novel Mechanicum that you are referencing takes place during the Horus Heresy so I think your data is around 11000 years out of date here. Your first reference is describing some one of a kind device called the Akashic Reader that uses Dark Age technology and does not support your claim that:
    Pages 119-122 cover a theological discussion on the nature of the Machine God, The Emperor and faith itself. Also not supportive of your assertions. Page 195 is the end of an interview with a Titan Princeps reliving his machine being destroyed. Pages 220 and 221 cover a fight between Titans, with no mention of either the Noosphere or tech warding.

    Page 226 is someone trying to lie their way past the equivalent of a customs check and page 229 is a pledge of loyalty from a bodyguard to their charge and a brief description of an important tech-priest taking calls and observing distress signals.

    In summation all your references are spurious junk. Don't make me read trash from the black library and Matt Ward again unless they have some bearing on your argumentation. If you have any further evidence to submit or wish to argue my assessment of Guardian technology, or tell me I have the wrong books then do so but I am unlikely to humour your citations again unless you bring actual relevent quotes seeing as you can waste my time very easily with nonsense page numbers from books that I have to either own myself or pirate to even dispute you.

    Thanks and have a great day! :D
     
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  4. IndigoAbyss

    IndigoAbyss Isaac of the Abyss

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    Hey, I'm going a bit off topic, but I'm wondering if anyone here has read Dceased and if you did, what are you thoughts about it?
     
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  5. Vaermina

    Vaermina Versed in the lewd.

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    The official epub version of the 7e Necron codex has the section linked in it's table of contents.

    Also this is Young Justice, not the main universe comic setting, so dial down the capabilities of those rings by a couple orders of magnitude.

    The Imperium doesn't use gunpowder...

    As to the best the Imperium can make... There's everything from the nano-tech gardens on Terra to the acasual weaponry on the Speranza.

    The thing about pirated pdf copies of a book... Their page numbers don't line up to the actual paperback novels...
     
  6. hkim

    hkim Getting sticky.

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    oh my dark fucking gods there's two of them now
     
  7. DAT_NOOB

    DAT_NOOB Accused of writing in a far away land

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    That's still good by 40k standards

    Literally say, if you let me subvert you I'll let you have a fight that doesn't even end if you die they'd probably want you to do it.
    *Angry Necron and Eldar noises*

    I did I appreciated the spotlight green arrow got, the unkillables story looks interesting although I question some of the events in the second volume.
     
  8. Queshire

    Queshire Not too sore, are you?

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    I mean, if you go into it looking for things to hate then yeah, there's enough that you'll probably hate it. It's a show written for early to mid teens and it shows. Alas, critics all too often forget that in pursuit of their criticism.

    Go into it with an open mind though, and they manage to pull off some really interesting things.
     
  9. OrigamiPhoenix

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    I doubt he doesn't know, he just considers them the least mental. While I personally know much less about the Eldar, the nigh-brainwashed Tau are still a much better choice than the xenophobic, heavily stratified, and stagnant Imperium of Man.

    Assuming they're simply Contagii, maybe. He'd have to fix their entire genetic code, which would be difficult even if he had a record of their original genes. If they're a Hybrid, I sincerely doubt it.
     
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    Seriously, did the Emperor abolish minutes or something?


    "Hmm." Fio'Vre Lar'shi Manuur Shiirr stares at the orange aura protecting my left arm for a moment, then carefully applies a smart syringe to my cephalic vein. Nothing happens. "This may be easier if you turn off your force field."

    "Sorry, hang on."

    I turn the fingers of my left hand so that they're pointing right, then reach across with my right hand and pull the ring off. And.. this is the first time I've felt even remotely safe enough to do this. Nearly two weeks of dodging everything while desperately trying to grab enough data not to fly into the Maelstrom. To just.. find out where the blasted Tau Empire even was. 'Galactic East' narrowed it down to a mere 2 trillion cubic light years, then between the ring's bullshit hacking and translation I was just about able to find it without getting stopped.

    Fucking warp travel and astrotelepathy. No one flies between solar systems through normal space, so I couldn't find isolated vessels to examine. No one sends exotic transmissions by bending physics merely a little, so there was nothing to intercept. No, I had to dodge system monitoring stations and get right up close to some truly terrifying thingamies. I haven't seen any Chaos-tainted ships yet, but I did see a world the tyranids were in the process of stripping, a small necron flotilla and.. a few stranger ships whose designs I didn't recognise.

    Huh. I suppose I can find out for sure whether it's pronounced tee-ranid or tie-ranid. Just need to find a human who's heard of them and doesn't feel obliged to shoot me.

    "Oo'rshi prrakah quanh voor?"

    Mr Manuur has.. already removed the syringe. That was painless. No need for a bandage either, apparently. I shake my head. "I can't understand you." I slide the ring back on. "The ring has a translation function. Without it I'm stuck speaking a language that… No one but me and the Emperor remember."

    High Gothic doesn't actually sound anything like Latin, any more than any of the hundreds of forms of Low Gothic I've heard sound like English.

    "I asked: how urgent is this? Do you have a reason to believe that you are ill? Our facilities are not designed to perform complex diagnostic procedures upon humans, and despite your efforts we have many more casualties still to tend to."

    "Oh, it's not urgent at all." I look around the small diagnostic laboratory we're in. The door's closed, monitoring is.. on automatic… "I just wanted to get you alone for a moment."

    His facial cleft tightens momentarily. "That is.. not an efficient use of my time. We have many more wounded-."

    "I wanted to speak to you so that I could alert you to an… Epidemic I detected amongst the crew when I came on board. Fio'Vre, I appreciate that you are a medical doctor and not a xenobiological researcher and.. that the Tau may be completely unfamiliar with the phenomenon… But do you know what a Genestealer Cultist is?"

    "Gene-stealer. That is what humans call the y'he elite assault creatures."

    I hold out my right hand and generate an image of one, drawing particular attention to its reproductive organ. "They don't really use these in battle, but when they're performing long range infiltration missions they use these to implant some sort of.. viral DNA in their victims."

    "Plausible. Do they use a disease weapon to weaken the target population before an invasion?"

    If only. "No. It does.. several things. Firstly, it ties the victim to their brood telepathy. Once the infection really gets going they're as much a part of the brood as the genestealers themselves; they'll do anything to further its interests, regardless of what they believed beforehand. Secondly, it alters their reproductive system so that their offspring are… We call them genestealer hybrids-."

    "That sounds somewhat implausible. The modifications that would be required in order to undertake such a change in physiology would be extensive, and altering the brain of a human to make it in any way compatible with those of the y'he would kill the host more than often than not." He turns away, reaching for a computer console. "Still, there is much that is not understood regarding y'he biotechnology. It may well be that you are simply-."

    "Ah, what are you doing?"

    He glances back. "This is not the Imperium, human. We do not closet information away from those who need it. A simple enquiry-."

    "Who gets notified that you're making such an enquiry?"

    His hands stop moving. "Certain enquiries trigger automatic messages to the commanding officer, senior security officer and highest ranking Aun. Kor'Vre Vhel'ua was killed by the strike on the bridge, along with-." He shudders. "Aun'Vre Vuraul. And our security complement have other things to worry about."

    "But there would be a record."

    "Yes. You want me to simply take your word for it that they have these abilities, and.. presumably have subordinated a part of the crew. Would it be the Tarellians, by any chance?"

    "Ah, no. All appeared to be tau, most likely Brood Brothers and Sisters. On an Imperial ship I'd be worried about purestrains as well, but from the looks of things tau ships are actually… Sensibly organised, rather than being gothic space churches."

    "And what do you believe will happen if they do discover that I am making queries about them?"

    "I don't know." Hm. "Usually when a cult is discovered they either hide or attack. We're on a space ship and there aren't that many of them. I'm not sure." Except… These are tau brood members, not ignorant and superstitious humans. "Though… If they've taken samples of the virus which the purestrains use, they.. could go on an injection rampage or… Maybe aerosolise it?"

    "I am doing nothing until I can confirm that they even have these abilities. I am grateful for the lives of those you have healed, but this is-."

    The door opens and a gangly tau in green and brown robes strides in, Miss Tsua'm just behind… Him? His head is taller and narrower, and his facial cleft is a little smaller than those of the other tau I've seen. An Ethereal, though given that Doctor Manuur just told me that the leading Ethereal died I've got no idea how senior he is. Ring, is he-? No, good.

    He stops, taking a moment to study me. "Gue'vesa, I am Aun'Saal Lar'shi Bo'ohk."

    "Ah, someone my rank. That will cut down on the saluting."

    He blinks, his head turning slightly towards Miss Tsua'm. She leans forward slightly. "A human military greeting exchanged between superior and subordinate, my lord."

    "Ah. Indeed, no. I had believed that I would need to minister to the dying, but it seems that your intervention has spared me that duty. You have the thanks of the tau, and since you have expressed an interest in learning of the Greater Good I am willing to make time to instruct you in it."

    I nod. "Thank you." Ring, shut the door. "But we have a more immediate problem to deal with first."

    Doctor Manuur steps away from the console, eyes slightly down. "My lord, the human believes that a portion of the crew have been… 'Infested' by the y'he. I cannot confirm that they have the capacity he described without accessing computer records and he is concerned that they may be monitoring the archive. It is-."

    Mr Bo'ohk's cleft wrinkles. "Yes, I know of this. The gene stealers. There are infected tau on board this ship?"

    I hold up my left hand. "This ring's AI isn't clever enough to lie."

    He walks past me and Doctor Manuur to the computer console. "I have codes for accessing our data files without leaving a record." He activates it, presses a few buttons and then steps back. "I regret, Fio'Vre, that our knowledge is far from comprehensive, but it is now available to you."

    A holographic projection appears, and Doctor Manuur's eyes dart over it before he walks up to the console and starts pressing buttons to call up additional data. "Mm. We have no record of inter-tau transmission. There must be a purestrain somewhere, most likely many. I can begin a round of blood tests on all members of the crew, and isolate those who show the signature physical anomalies."

    I shake my head. "You'll need to drug them. With brood telepathy, if the others detect their fellows being picked up-."

    "Yes. Wise. Even so, it may not be entirely reliable. We may need to simply identify them and release them temporarily. Dealing with intelligent diseases is beyond my field of expertise."

    "Fio'Vre, Aun'Saal, if you believe me when I tell you that they exist, why not simply let me mark them out for you? You could pick them up in one go, perform your tests to make sure that I'm not lying and then… Either try to cure them or euthanize them."

    Doctor Manuur looks at Mr Bo'ohk for guidance, but Mr Bo'ohk merely makes a.. palm outward gesture with both hands. "Disease outbreak containment is part of your sphere of responsibility. I will support your decision."

    Doctor Manuur looks down for a moment, then makes a close fisted gesture with his right hand. "We will need to create additional holding areas. And this will have to wait until the casualties from the ork attack have been stabilised. But I will begin making plans now."
     
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  11. Gets Shot

    Gets Shot Know what you're doing yet?

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    That went way better than I expected.
     
  12. Katillno

    Katillno Verified Nobu fan

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    Does this Paul have a lantern because how is he charging his ring
     
  13. lancelot

    lancelot Grand High Poobah

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    Doesn't the book mention forced sterilizations of xenos, and if your race doesn't add anything cool enough there have been multiple coincidental planetary scale 'accidents' that genocide whatever race that homeworld belongs too?
     
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    Jus4532 I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    The Warp I think. Warhammer Fantasy Paul was able to charge his ring through the warp, so this Paul could probably do that.
     
  15. Vaermina

    Vaermina Versed in the lewd.

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    Actually according to Star of Damocles the Imperium has short range FTL sub-space communications and sensors.
     
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  16. Cherico

    Cherico Well worn.

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    The tau for all their faults are a sensible people it is unfortunate that they live in a unsensible universe.
     
  17. GamingPizza1998

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    That sounds like an hilariously bad idea, I get beggers can't be choosers but still.
     
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    Vaermina Versed in the lewd.

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    The Tau are ostriches that vigorously suppress any information that might harm the party line.
     
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    rkyeun Cabbitus Maximus

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    WarPauller could probably do more than simply identify the infected. Because he probably really strongly not to have that particular threat around and the ring is bullshit about reconstruction and healing under those circumstances. There are plenty of healthy Tau to use as physical, mental, and genetic reference. Paul should be able to just YOINK and replace the altered DNA with fresh clean DNA.
     
  20. Chojin Patriarch

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    Oh, that's asking a lot. Between the possibility of the doc slipping him a mickey and the presence of Brood cultists on board...

    Remind me, what's he even wearing at this point? Still in his pyjamas, or has he 'acquired' clothing from Imperial sources? Because I would not be comfortable crossing the galaxy in my sleepwear...

    Aw, no link? Then again, there aren't that many significant minor races left in the galaxies by this time, are there?

    Eh, there's probably different pronounciations on different local accents anyway. Pohtayto, pohtarto and all that. My personal preference: Tie-ran-id, as in Tyrant.

    And maybe a few other Perpetuals. Assuming they even exist in this particular timeline. The joy of variable Canon.

    Dammit, Pau'l, that's not going to make him feel any safer...

    Ah, straight to the heart of the matter. The ring would alert him if the Doc was a Brood Brother, of course.

    And before anyone makes a comment, that's a tongue, not anything else... Purestrains don't even have those organs...

    Frankly, it's one hell of a biological weapon. Instant subversion of the victim and genetic modification so that it makes more loyal subjects... And it's not even the scariest thing the Hiveminds can come up with.

    At least he believes him. Most humans not in the know would probably have gone "Are you mad?"

    Because if anyone looking happens to be a Brood Sibling... Well, the Ork boarding party will look like a warmup.

    I see the Doc is smart enough to realise that too. Good fellow.

    Which also raises the question of where the infection began... This means at least one Tau sept colony is subverted by the Cult...

    ...Dear god that's a terrifying idea. I can only hope that isn't so...

    And of course the scan also took a full image of the Etheral Caste's biology, allowing Pau'l to eventually work out the control method they use, I hope...

    Ah, facetiousness in the face of mortal peril...

    Sure, sure. But that'll have to wait until they're not in imminent danger of getting nobbled by cultists.

    Ah, he's got a high enough clearance to know of the threat. This will go a lot smoother.

    Assuming they can take a few alive, they'll have plenty of samples to learn from...

    So it's got to happen all at once. That's going to be tough to organise, especially with subverted tau in the security staff.

    Which will be interesting to see. Pau'ls getting a lot of information about the Tau from this encounter, as much as they're learning about him.

    Ah, reasonable leadership. God, imagine if the Paragon were here. He'd probably be cheering it. And then instantly resolve it because epic-level Lantern...

    And so another alternate steps from the limelight, leaving us with more questions than answers. Will Pau'l and the ship's crew successfully contain the cultists? What will Pau'l do to help his new hosts? What likelihood is there of him getting some blue nookie? (Probably none.)
    Alas, it's back to Pony Planet tomorrow, and more than likely the conclusion of Sunset's big moment. Imminent alicornhood, or a magical disaster? I for one can't wait.x3

    ...could go on an injection rampage...
     
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    Can you point me to the post confirming this?
     
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    Here is the post that confirm it.
     
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    I can't tell if they are believing him too quickly or not.

    He is a stranger, he has shown bullshit powers, this is 40k so very little doesn't happen anway...

    But thes are very blase about it either way. Which fits with the T'aus naive/arrogant behaviour, I suppose.
     
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    Is this the intended word, or should it be "any more than"?
     
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    Zoat himself doesn't know of evidence for sterilization. AFAIK, they only steamroll planets that pose a threat to the expansion of their empire.
     
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    He transmuted himself some clothes.
    Plenty. You might not be missed, but the line is really long.
    BROTHER! Or.. possibly SISTER! I never asked.
    In The Box.
    Gravalax.
    There's a canon Genestealer Cult that actually does this.
    They're only banned from mating with tau of other castes. There's probably one water caste xenosociologist who's curious enough to try it.
    Thank you, corrected.
    Thank you, corrected.
    If only because sterilising them is far more work.
     
  27. Stsword

    Stsword I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    Lacking a soul, he doesn't have a soul to corrupt, and his ring would allow him to resist physical mutation.

    That is, as long as he stays soulless.

    However, considering how many alt.Pauls have gotten a soul, he might get one too.

    I'm not positive that it wouldn't happen eventually in any magic rich universe like the process with the tattoos, just much slower.

    Zoat stated that consuming demons gave Sybarite a soul, and if he didn't have the innate ability to grow a soul when there's energy available, why would he grow one by accident?
     
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    Wait if he can break into the emperor's throne room why didn't he?
     
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    Assimilating demons and whatever Sybarite did to become a half demon could be completely different, so maybe he'll just assimilate demons without gaining a soul.

    Breaking Into the throne room could be dangerous as the Emperor could try to attack him, or mind control him.
     
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    As you brought up aerosol dispersal, but it might just be an involuntary population control so they'll never be more zeno then Tau.

    No I remember reading this in one of the newer books. Multiple times a race that has joined the Tau aren't useful in of themselves, resources or some piece of tech and beyond that their useless. When that has happened some terrible 'accident' will happen before a useful breeding population can leave the planet and kills them all. The mourn the terrible loss but quickly leaving the old shit and put up strip malls and shit because the 'accident' never makes the planet uninhabitable.
     
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