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  1. Vox De Harlequin

    Vox De Harlequin Self-Taught Black Magic Initiate

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    Yes, but so far they've gone down the crapper in a way that does not seriously infringe on Mio's mental integrity.
    Something that will not be the case if we plug the super shady sealed evil into her brain.
    Maybe it's different for you, but I don't particularly enjoy reading about someone's protracted mental erosion and collapse at the hands of a nebulous and insidious malevolence.
    While obviously it probably wouldn't be something that we couldn't get out of, but at what cost?

    In developing the chakra arm we risk simple death at worst for pretty much equal, or arguably greater, benefit.
    With the sealed arm we risk all of the above, as well as completely locking ourselves off from one of the most broken powerups in the setting (sage mode) as well as a variety of other possible effects of corrupted chakra.

    I simply do not think the benefits even remotely outweigh the almost certain risks.
     
  2. Xicree

    Xicree Destroy and Rejoice!

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    Note WHERE we are.

    I somehow doubt taking something from this realm will block us from Sage Chakra.
     
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  3. Vox De Harlequin

    Vox De Harlequin Self-Taught Black Magic Initiate

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    I do not share you confidence, and I'm honestly not sure where it comes from.
    Sure this is the summons' realm, but if things were that simple someone else would have already taken the thing.
    It's not like grafting the body parts of powerful beings onto your body is a particularly new idea.
    And especially noting where we are, someone would have fucked with the arm already.
    That they haven't doesn't say good things.

    I do apologize if I seem overly melodramatic or argumentative right now, I'm currently both sleep deprived and doped up on a probably unhealthy amount of caffeine.
     
  4. Irked

    Irked Versed in the lewd.

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    On the bright side the eldritch brain melting evil will probably have fun interactions with our trauma powered eyes, so we can bust out some never before seen sharingan eye hax on Tobi the next time we see him.
     
  5. tenchifew

    tenchifew Experienced.

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    Just wanted to add that grafting parts to them is a mostly human idea...
    And I'd go out on a limb and say that there were no living people here for a damn long time.

    this said, I am still voting for the chakra arm.
     
  6. JadeKaiser

    JadeKaiser The Monster/Slayer

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    No, it won't cost us chakra to maintain. We would have to be expending chakra for that. This isn't expending chakra, it's literally increasing the density of the chakra inside/making up our chakra coils. You know, the place that chakra is when it's not being expended yet.
     
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  7. fastrike

    fastrike Making the rounds.

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    [X] Take. Plenty of arms about, attached to other things.
    - [X] The bound corpse, chained and marked with ancient and crumbling sealing wards, even now seems to be reaching out from its still and permanent repose. One arm outstretched... the only portion that has not yet rotten away, but even so as black as ink or pitch and seeming like stone, with thin cracks...
     
  8. Snake/Eater

    Snake/Eater Myth Maker of the North

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    Another problem with the demon hand is infection and rejection, what could be a common cold for a hell beast could be a contagious plague for humans.
     
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  9. Silver W. King

    Silver W. King Nyan Overlord

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    [X] Take. Plenty of arms about, attached to other things.
    - [X] The bound corpse, chained and marked with ancient and crumbling sealing wards, even now seems to be reaching out from its still and permanent repose. One arm outstretched... the only portion that has not yet rotten away, but even so as black as ink or pitch and seeming like stone, with thin cracks...
     
  10. Nekraa

    Nekraa Nekraa Moderator

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    And maybe the blood Mio has been drinking is full of super-aids and will kill her in the next update? -.-
     
  11. Valette-Serafina

    Valette-Serafina Shameless Shadow

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    Canonically, that's not how Chakra works. I mean, it's not like canon cared much latter, but in the earlier parts of the series Chakra was generated as and when needed, rather than constantly circulating through the body.
     
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  12. Nekraa

    Nekraa Nekraa Moderator

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    Was it? But then, how does Byakugan make sense? And the "Naruto has three times as much chakra as Kakashi" (or however it went)?

    And now that you say it, yeah. I seem to remember the explanation that they'd mold physical and mental energies to make chakra when performing -jutsu.

    And now I wonder how "split your chakra evenly between you and your shadow clones" works in that case. Or was that fanon? Probably been too long since I read Naruto.
     
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  13. Xicree

    Xicree Destroy and Rejoice!

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    When they say that what they mean is, you have a large reserve of Physical and Mental energy which can be converted to chakra. Everything else flows from that.
     
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  14. Toy

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    Grafted magic body parts in Naruto also tend to cause massive chakra drain, such as Kakashi's implanted sharingan.
     
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  15. GiftofLove

    GiftofLove A Gift From The Heart

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    The explainations were given are thus, if I'm recalling correctly.

    The body passively generates a small amount of chakra at all times to keep its vital organs functioning.
    To cast jutsu, you must create chakra by combining your physical and mental energies.
    To cast jutsu, you must then mold this chakra through hand seals.
    If you try to draw on too much chakra, you might dip into the chakra running your vital organs and die by depriving them of energy.

    Also, note that we're shown quite often inexperienced ninja building up chakra with a handseal before casting jutsu, but rarely see an experienced one do so. Usually by the time they learn Tree Climbing the handseals start to fall out of use for building chakra unless you're reaching really deep.

    In conclusion, to me this suggests that ninja are taught to constantly be molding and storing as much chakra as their body can handle at any given time so that they can use it at a moments notice. A kind of walking mediation, maybe? It becomes second nature through practice.

    So it's a little bit of both, I think. You've got a store of chakra that you're constantly feeding, and this is what people sense.
     
  16. Xicree

    Xicree Destroy and Rejoice!

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    I'm not really worried about chakra drain to be honest. Mio's external chakra trick gives her access to what's basically reserves far beyond anything normal, and I would bet my bottom dollar of her eventually learning to match and modulate her chakra to suit sources she's tapping into.

    Cause if you look at it really what Mio does is use her own chakra system to manipulate an external and far more extensive network of chakra, collected from all around herself.
     
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  17. Valette-Serafina

    Valette-Serafina Shameless Shadow

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    The Byakugan makes sense?
    Shōnen staple.
    Almost certainly fanon.
     
  18. asdx

    asdx Depraved

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    You are now Imagining Mio spanking her opponents.
    Let me know if I should remove it.
     
  19. Nekraa

    Nekraa Nekraa Moderator

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    The Byakugan can see chakra being circulated in the body. If they only had chakra when molding it for techniques, the Byakugan wouldn't be able to see their chakra.

    Well yeah. But that would mean that they have chakra despite not actively using it, right?

    Else it would be a nonsense claim.

    Well, the Narutopedia claims it is.
    Article: The user's chakra is evenly distributed among every clone, giving each clone an equal fraction of the user's overall power. The clones are capable of performing techniques, including the Shadow Clone Technique itself,[4]

    Sadly the reference is to the "can use techniques" claim rather than the chakra distribution claim.
     
  20. DuskAtDawn

    DuskAtDawn Of the Thousand Faces

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    I think the implication is that Chakra is always circulating within the body, supporting vital systems like a spiritual circulatory system, but in relatively insignificant amounts in comparison to how much ninja use. In order to draw out enough to use any sort of technique, more has to be forcibly generated from the reserves of mental and physical energy that ninja have and civilians, well, don't. Not in any real capacity.

    When "chakra reserves" are mentioned, it refers to a ninja's capability to produce chakra from said reserves of physical and mental energy. I have no idea how that would work in conjunction with Bijuu chakra, but I can only assume it means the Bijuu have/are large amounts of physical and mental energy, or can convert the two at an extremely high efficiency rate, or mold chakra with a third unknown ingredient that catalyzes the process to produce much more than they really should be able to. Or it's just shounen bull.
     
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  21. GiftofLove

    GiftofLove A Gift From The Heart

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    Incorrect. The downside of Shadow Clones is losing half your chakra every time you make one. This is why Mass Shadow Clone is a forbidden technique. Most people will die of exhaustion trying to fuel it.
     
  22. JadeKaiser

    JadeKaiser The Monster/Slayer

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    Nope. The anbu mention it while Sarutobi is fighting Orochimaru in the Chuunin Exams Invasion arc.
     
  23. macdjord

    macdjord Experienced.

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    I'd prefer the skeletal arm, myself, or the wood arm as second best. But neither has a hope of winning, and of the two leading options, the chackra arm seems the lesser risk.
     
  24. Snake/Eater

    Snake/Eater Myth Maker of the North

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    whats the current vote?
     
  25. RoninSword

    RoninSword Sky God

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    Vote Tally : Twisted Pinwheel | Page 62 | Questionable Questing
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    [X] Take. Plenty of arms about, attached to other things.
    - [X] The bound corpse, chained and marked with ancient and crumbling sealing wards, even now seems to be reaching out from its still and permanent repose. One arm outstretched... the only portion that has not yet rotten away, but even so as black as ink or pitch and seeming like stone, with thin cracks...
    No. of Votes: 32
    [x] Make. You have everything you need, probably.
    - [x] What you need to do is to make the chakra denser. Make it physical. Bijuu do it, why can't... you might be a little insane. But that doesn't mean it won't work.
    No. of Votes: 24
    [X] Take. Plenty of arms about, attached to other things.
    - [X] The spider that walks in the shape of a woman makes you shudder when she calls, and when she sings, to lure her prey nearer and nearer... until it is bound up in thread it does not and cannot see. She takes her time in eating them, when entrapped, and shares it bountifully out among lesser spiders. She has many arms to spare, though you doubt she will be eager to give one away...
    No. of Votes: 4
    [X] Make. You have everything you need, probably.
    - [X] About all there is around here seems to be stone and dead trees. Can't be that hard to put a prosthetic together, right? Straight bit, bendy bit, fiddly gripping bits...
    No. of Votes: 2
    [X] Make. You have everything you need, probably.
    - [X] The other thing that's here in abundance? Skeletons. Dusty, broken, but only sometimes walking around, but as a plus they generally have the right anatomy, less flesh.
    No. of Votes: 2
    [X] Make. You have everything you need, probably.
    - [X] The other thing that's here in abundance? Skeletons. Dusty, broken, but only sometimes walking around, but as a plus they generally have the right anatomy, less flesh.
    - [X] What you need to do is to make the chakra denser. Make it physical. Bijuu do it, why can't... you might be a little insane. But that doesn't mean it won't work.
    No. of Votes: 2
    Total No. of Voters: 66


    Current winner is the black stone like arm attached to the sealed body.
     
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  26. SpeckofStardust

    SpeckofStardust Making the rounds.

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    Yes but she currently doesn't have such reserves as of yet, and the making an arm out of chakra would push her down that path more then the implant.
     
  27. Snake/Eater

    Snake/Eater Myth Maker of the North

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    if all the minority votes switched to chakra then it would be a tie.
     
  28. Berserkslash

    Berserkslash Happiest. Fucking. Lizard.

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    It's fine, we lost, now to see the awesome EDGE chibi will give us.
     
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  29. Snake/Eater

    Snake/Eater Myth Maker of the North

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    but if it's a tie i want to see what the QM will pick.
     
  30. Koled

    Koled I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    [x] Make. You have everything you need, probably.
    - [x] What you need to do is to make the chakra denser. Make it physical. Bijuu do it, why can't... you might be a little insane. But that doesn't mean it won't work.

    Actually since I am a fickle thing now it has a chance to win. Mostly because our shunshin discount trick relies on the external chakra coils so it might be posible to more or less teleport to the fist.Or move fast enough that its the same result.
    The fact that it also makes it possible for missdirection sheningans when Mio doesnt go to the end of her arm and uses the Op external coils for it is just a bonus.
     
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